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kleinbl00  ·  2009 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: October 24, 2018

Four tribes or none?

- My current CNC assignment involves using a Very Bad Program to do very sloppy dimensioning for no good reason. I asked a classmate how to force the program to do it better and was told "this is the right way." I told him no, it's not, this is the sort of thing that gets drawings rejected and was challenged, aggressively, "how do you know?" I explained that the exemplar drawings framed on the wall in the CAD lab upstairs were done, in part, by me and that by the time he had been born I'd been drafting for about ten years. This was met with a sullen "well, this is the way we do it" which has been largely my experience among the machinists; there is folklore, engineers are evil wizards that are not to be questioned and the assignments I get are generally not drawn for clarity, they're drawn for confusion on the basis that the evil wizards are out to get you. This has tried my patience to the point of threatening to drop out. There's nothing worse than being forced to use bad tools because I said so.

- My jewelry assignment came out looking like shit because cheap enamel on copper looks like ass but when you spend several hours on something you call it a "happy accident." I had to do a presentation on a jeweler that inspires me and settled on Ludwig Oechslin but there was resistance when I explained that watch parts need precision to the ten thousandth in some cases and generally run in fluid bearings with half a thousandth tolerance. In order for the enamel to not look like ass, I have to do a lot of things that are not possible in the current environment because "happy accidents" are pretty much where an instruction lab lives.

- I got into a pissing match with a fellow watchmaker who was, without all the inside baseball, insisting that a common brand name part is officially called by the opposing brand name. That's clearly the way he learned it, and as with all things horological his knowledge is tribal, learned by rote and unchallenged. But it's the equivalent of walking into a Ford dealership and commenting about all the Chryslers they have sitting around. The fact that there are only a handful of places you can learn this stuff but lots of people practicing who haven't only serves to drive up the tribal closed-mindedness.

- We visited a heat treating lab Friday. They had lots of cool tests that brought me back to my glory days in engineering; yet when I asked technical details it revealed that theirs was a pragmatic knowledge divorced from the theory and that my questions about theory were resented.

IT'S SO DUMB. Everybody knows their one thing, and they know it well, and they know it exactly this way and if you step out, you're an infidel. And it doesn't fucking matter that you've taken ten credits on steel and five credits on heat treating. And it doesn't fucking matter that you're studying how to heat treat steel in two different fucking programs, when you ask questions that reveal you might understand what's being said and are curious about something not said you're the fucking auslander.

I'm home sick today. I'm not sick; the kid is sick. I'm in a program that marks me down for attendance and takes a third of my points away for being late because they're training people to punch a clock. I'm in another program that doesn't even make it clear what you're being graded on because the pragmatic knowledge dispensed is along the lines of "how to make your stuff stand out on Etsy." I asked a vendor for his price on an esoteric piece of software that makes it easier to hand-code G-code, the 60-year-old plaintext language that runs CNC. I was told, by the vendor, that in a well-run lab you never need to hand-code G-code therefore I shouldn't buy their software. Then we had to make a part on the new lathe in the shop and when we asked the vendor how to make the Very Bad Program perform a sub-spindle handover we were told "you hand code it."

Someone asked me how people "traditionally" become watch designers. I told them that "traditionally" your parents were watchmakers and so were you and you started making parts or that "traditionally" you're a rich person with ideas and you find some people to make your shit so you can sell it to your rich friends. I recognize that I'm pretty non-traditional but a lot of that is likely because I sit at the crossroads of four disciplines that are tribal in the extreme, that protect their folklore jealously, and that hold all other disciplines to be antagonistic.

I wonder how many industries could be revolutionized just by forcing people out of their comfort zones.





goobster  ·  2009 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Part of getting that degree is proving you can deal with this exact bullshit. Everyone knows you don't learn shit in school about the subject matter. The only purpose is to prove you have the stamina to withstand the bullshit.

And hey, if you have some talent remaining after being bludgeoned by dudgeon, then you may make a living at it. Eventually.

    "...everybody knows their one thing, and they know it well, and they know it exactly this way and if you step out, you're an infidel..."

Wow. This really hit home for me.

I'm from a hardware/software development background, and currently working in a sales/marketing role.

I see what the market needs, and the products/features the salespeople need from development, to be able to win in the market and make their BMW payments.

And I see what development is actually building, and how it has absolutely no relation to what sales needs to fill the customer's requirements and get them to sign the bottom line.

And I understand why both sides are doing what they are doing, and I see how they think they are saying the same things, but are actually talking about completely different things.

I visualize everyone sitting around the table on a stack of books. The books are that person's history, frame of reference, and where they are going. So when words come out of their mouth, I see all the back-story to their thinking.

Only, I'm the only person in the room that can see the stack of books everyone is sitting on. They can't see the other person's stack of books, because the conference room table is in the way.

And, 3 months later, a new product/feature is released, and sales/marketing is completely baffled about how they are supposed to sell this to their customers.

Of course, I am involved in many conversations over the 3 months, because both sides value my history and experience. So I try to massage what Sales is expecting, and the direction Product Development is going, so the delta between the two is less when the product is released... but it doesn't make a lot of difference.

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In other news that is directly related, I don't really do much at work any more.

I got my raise and promotion and a new manager and the only other person I worked with a lot was just fired for sexual harassment, when he put his arm over a coworkers' shoulders at a going-away party for another coworker, and then let his hand rest on her massive breast. In front of everyone. While drunk.

Not "him" at all. Totally out of character. But ... an undeniable case of harassment, seen by everyone, and so he's gone.

Now I'm back to being a largely unmanaged Independent Contributor, with a hands-off manager, and no real work on my plate. Making lots of travel plans for next year. Selling my motorcycle. Buying another one. Working on getting a new, epic, mascot costume made for my favorite rugby team. Finishing up the wills for my wife and I, that we were supposed to finish 2 years ago. Keeping a close eye on my dog as she ages, and making sure she is comfortable, loved, and happy in her waning years. My wife and I have "leveled-up" again, in our love. Dunno why, or how it happened, but we both felt it the other day... we now loved each other "more" than the previous day. We got weepy and smooched and then went about our day. It's kinda a lotta wonderful.

Life, man. It's a helluva thing.

steve  ·  2009 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    My wife and I have "leveled-up" again, in our love. Dunno why, or how it happened, but we both felt it the other day... we now loved each other "more" than the previous day. We got weepy and smooched and then went about our day. It's kinda a lotta wonderful.

Reading this warmed my heart. Thanks for sharing that little window inside.

goobster  ·  2008 days ago  ·  link  ·  

grin

steve  ·  2008 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ugh... typo fixed.

warmed not warned.

PTR  ·  2008 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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user-inactivated  ·  2009 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I asked a vendor for his price on an esoteric piece of software that makes it easier to hand-code G-code, the 60-year-old plaintext language that runs CNC. I was told, by the vendor, that in a well-run lab you never need to hand-code G-code therefore I shouldn't buy their software.

Now I'm curious what this software does. There's an emacs mode for g-code, but all it does is syntax highlighting. It probably wouldn't be too hard to teach it to hand your script off to camotics to simulate it. That looks to be the extent of what everything in the first page of google results for "g-code editor" does.

kleinbl00  ·  2009 days ago  ·  link  ·