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kleinbl00  ·  148 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong

    Fat people hurt my nurses.

Do you think they intend to?

    Lift teams are becoming mandatory on every inpatient floor because bariatrics has been over-capacity since it was opened.

Do you think society has made it radically more acceptable to be fat?

Or has something larger than individual behavior changed?

OftenBen  ·  148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Do you think they intend to?

Shockingly I'm not that dense or heartless.

Intention has nothing to do with it. It's a thing that happens. It's a preventable thing that happens. Can everybody be a swimsuit model? No. Are there things that can be done to stop this particular problem from killing so many people, and making life living hell for so many others? Definitely. And there is a small but tenacious group of people who use the same kind of science denialism as the anti-vaxx crowd to say that obesity isn't dangerous or unhealthy. That kind of shit has to be stamped out with a vengeance. I was bullied for being fat until I was an adult, and even then didn't escape it fully until very recently. I'm allowed to feel strongly about the issue. Weightloss is hard enough without blatant false information being pushed.

    Do you think society has made it radically more acceptable to be fat?

Significantly. It sort of has to because so many more people are fat. It was almost inevitable really. That said, it's not a good thing. Somebody is going to leave a serious illness untreated because they saw a Tess Holliday or similar figure as inspirational. That someone is going to suffer serious, life altering consequences that will also cause their friends and loved ones pain. If this happens once because someone decided it would make a loud-mouth blogger feel good to be on the cover of a magazine, that's once too many times.

We've already had the problem of unhealthy images of women (and men!) in media promoting things like bulimia, anorexia, damaging amounts of exercise in pursuit of one extreme. Let's not try to correct that by pulling the wheel hard into oncoming traffic!

If an individual had poor impulse control with regard to food in the 1400's it wasn't really an issue because the spare and accessible kcals just weren't around. These days it requires an effort of will and careful vigilance to NOT buy dogshit food CONSTANTLY. It's not even as simple as making the healthy choice over the unhealthy choice, salad over burgers because guess what, Mickey D's salad will fuck you up worse than a Big Mac so you can't just make a good choice, you have to have the time and energy to make sure that you are executing that good choice.

Yes it's hard. It's fucking terribly hard. And the poorer and more stressed, and more crunched for time you are, the harder it is. My parents are both obese on the downslope of fifty and it takes a toll on them DAILY and it absolutely destroys me to watch it happen.

kleinbl00  ·  148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Intention has everything to do with it. Out of one side of your mouth you're compassionate for those poor people who can't eat properly but out of the other you justify your righteous dudgeon with the splinter faction that can't walk a mile and feels okay with it. Yeah, you're allowed to feel strongly about it but don't for a minute think that the one's your compassionate for don't see themselves as Tess Holliday in your eyes.

As for acceptance, France had to pass a law to stop models from dropping dead. Here's Victoire Dauxerre. She was discovered at 123lb but wasn't allowed to walk the runway until she hit 103.

Here's Isabelle Caro. She was under 100lb in this picture (at Milan fashion week). She died under 60.

Meanwhile, you know what TLC's top ratings earner is?

altoids  ·  143 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You missed OftenBens point

OftenBen  ·  148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    0France had to pass a law to stop models from dropping dead.

Guess I know what's next.

HeroicGomez  ·  146 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Do you think they intend to?"

I can see his deeper point, and you honestly should have too instead of passive aggressively implying something disingenuous.

kleinbl00  ·  146 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Come at me, bro.

    Obese, frequent flyer CHF patients who just can't stay away from the ham and salty snack foods overburden cardiac care teams and emergency facilities across the board with issues that are entirely, 100% preventable.

I'm not going to speak for Ben, but I know for damn sure that the judgemental tone in that post has kept two of my relatives from seeking any medical care for a dozen years each.

And if you wanna scold me for calling him on it, I will take you the fuck apart.

altoids  ·  143 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nah this has been a legitamite healthcare issue for quite some time now. The enormous healthcare costs that come from obesity and its complications are mindbogglingly steep, especially when you consider that the simple solution of a caloric deficit and exercise would take care of the vast majority and dramatically improve quality of life.

There's a reason why family med docs joke that half of their job is trying to make their patients shove some damn vegetables in their mouths

HeroicGomez  ·  145 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Naw, I'll just leave you to swing wildly. If you want to die on this hill, that's your choice.