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kleinbl00  ·  2302 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Fine art to topple fine wine in 2017 luxury investment

    Not a bad point but art at that time was not the pointy headed world it is now. Artists were fine craftsman until the 19th century more or less.

Completely irrelevant.

Paudung beauty is traditionally a matter of how elongated their necks are. The Chinese bound feet to make them smaller. European wealth was marked by corpulence and soft hands. Fundamentally, anthropologically, wealth is signaled by abundance; extreme wealth is signaled by waste and one's ability to squander resources.

The basic mechanism underpinning value is scarcity. During the Medicis, a realistic depiction of any scene was the domain of talented craftsmen. therefore, realistic depictions were of value. Now? Find a phone without a camera on it. We're awash in realism so abstraction becomes prominent.

Let's talk about Felix Gonzales-Torres.

I think you will likely agree when I state that his art is not to my taste. I would describe it as "rank bullshit." It is literally a giant pile of candy in the corner of a room (in the Guggenheim because fuck you). There's nothing rare about the candy. If I recall correctly Torrez didn't even pile it himself. It's a waste of candy. It's a waste of space. It's a waste of thought. It's a waste. It's four and a half million dollars. It is not the conspicuous consumption of wealth, it's the conspicuous destruction of wealth.

The Medicis had an eye for nourishing artists that suited their tastes. So does Charles Saatchi. That our tastes are more closely aligned with the Medicis only goes to demonstrate how highly refined Charles Saatchi's tastes truly are. I mean, any schlub can appreciate a Michelangelo. A Gonzales-Torres? That takes a hypersensitized palate.





tacocat  ·  2302 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I really don't think it has anything to do with scarcity. Plenty of artists, even popular modern and contemporary ones, work in a naturalistic style. The circles that certain works are valued in are diverse. But right now it's a subjective free for all where as the old Masters were high skilled craftsmen. Yes scarcity. It takes money to hire a fine craftsman and they can command a high price because of their skills. But like building a piece of fine furniture or building an expensive house. I really can't think of anything equivalent today. To say that the taste makers of today are the same as patrons four hundred years ago ignores a lot of factors. I'm on my phone. I can't hold a thought well enough to explain anything. And it's not as if we're that far apart in opinion.

kleinbl00  ·  2302 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If Tracy Emin made a million beds, the beds would be worth less. But then, if Tracy Emin made a million beds, Saatchi wouldn't try to sell her bed to his friends.

Hirst's dots go for between $50k and $1.3m. There are a thousand of them. That fuckin' shark, of which there is one, sold for at least $8m. Hirst has figured out the same angle as Kinkade - sell for less, make it up on volume. But he couldn't have done that if it weren't for the fuckin' shark.

Here's an equivalent: watches.

Nobody needs a mechanical object capable of calculating hebrew holidays. But if you're the only one who has one, you must be rich. Richer than they are.

Clearly - there is more technical competence, more effort, more skill that goes into that technically useless object than go into Hirst's dots. But that thing allows Vacheron to sell Patrimonys for $14k.

The signaling among watches is extreme - you probably know Rolex, Seiko and maybe TAG Heuer. The in-group knows the Holy Trinity is three companies you've never heard of and Seiko is something you buy at the mall. Meanwhile they spend their money on things that you can't even figure out what time it is:

You could see that lying on the street and figure it was a cheap piece of shit that came out of a vending machine. Pick it up and you'd start to wonder. I could tell you there are ten of them and they list for a shade over $2m and you would have no idea why.

That's why. Because you can go to a store and "waste" six grand on a Rolex but it would never occur to you to pay apartment-complex money for something that ugly.

The old masters had things you couldn't have. The new masters have things you can't have. Same same. And I reiterate: that you're more likely to want the things the old masters had makes their tastes less refined, not more.

(for the record, I hope my tastes never "refine" that much)