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lil  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Teaching stuff is resolved.

    Well, I went ahead and talked to principals in two other schools in the area. After meeting with them and some teachers, they were really into it and agreed to ask students in their extended (AP) courses.
This is fantastic and impressive. I hope you told those two principals what you think happened at your old school. You don't want that to come back and bite you. You will probably disagree with my following comments. I'm interested in knowing what you think:

    Like all professional adults, she fucked off.
Not all. Some, maybe even many, deal with things with integrity.

    But all of it could have been averted if only the mentioned principal would give me enough benefit of the doubt to actually let me explain it and talk it out like adults.

You are absolutely right about that. We should all give people the benefit of the doubt and try to understand a situation before taking action against them.

Principals are terrified of parents. Keep in mind that you still have not talked directly to the principal and don't really know what happened. You still have the option of behaving with integrity and trying to clarify any misunderstanding.

This means

1. Letting the principal know how you felt after talking to her.

2. Telling her what you heard and asking for clarification because

    But one of the teachers told me why she thinks I'm no longer welcome.
is still just a theory.

3. Showing understanding for her concerns (if the teacher was right). Showing understanding that she is responsible for student well-being.

4. Showing your commitment to teaching, math, kids etc. by telling her that you needed clarification and you are seeking mentoring with regard to anything you do.

5. Hoping you hadn't caused any harm, and apologizing for whatever problem you might have caused.

Just because the principal is not taking you seriously, you can be serious with this false or unnecessary accusation and apologize and more importantly, point the way --

    But that's not really a lesson for me: I know that most of the "adult and professional because of age" people are full of shit and more childish than I ever was.

Model appropriate behaviour by facing the problem calmly and asking for clarification and mentoring.

It's in your best interest to get this false or misguided or bullshit accusation cleared up with the principal and by all your actions, you've demonstrated that you are a serious teacher.

Rather than writing them off as being full of shit, give them a chance to work it out with you.




Devac  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thank you. :D

    I hope you told those two principals what you think happened at your old school. You don't want that to come back and bite you.

I provided them with as complete image of the situation as I could. Reason and it being only a theory notwithstanding.

    You will probably disagree with my following comments. I'm interested in knowing what you think:

I actually don't think so. I have my own experiences and biases, granted, but despite quite a few differences I'm largely of similar mind.

    Not all. Some, maybe even many, deal with things with integrity.

One generalisation, unintentional I might add, and it's here. ;)

    Principals are terrified of parents. Keep in mind that you still have not talked directly to the principal and don't really know what happened. You still have the option of behaving with integrity and trying to clarify any misunderstanding.

This is something that I didn't really see while I was a student there. Mistake or selective memories could be a thing, but there were cases where student's parents would come with complaints and principal's response was pretty much "You know, no one forces your kid to be in this school". There were something close to eighteen candidates per place after selecting the best to take the internal exam when I was being admitted, so it was a pretty strong leverage. I'm willing to agree here purely because I'm new to this mess.

    is still just a theory.

Yes, but since the principal didn't give me any response I have to do with what I got from secondary sources. Not the best situation, but that's what I have.

    Model appropriate behaviour by facing the problem calmly and asking for clarification and mentoring.

I try, but I was more often than not ignored by people. It's going to be hard to move past it.

    It's in your best interest to get this false or misguided or bullshit accusation cleared up with the principal and by all your actions, you've demonstrated that you are a serious teacher.

Again, "yes, but…". Unless the principal will graciously start responding I can only do it by doing my best and hope that she'll take some of your advice herself and consider that perhaps there was even a slight tinge of her being guilty of this situation.

    Rather than writing them off as being full of shit, give them a chance to work it out with you.

I figured that I could be slightly less restrained and diplomatic around the people here. ;)

I appreciate your advice and will follow it as far as I can. That said, I don't know why you thought that I would disagree with you outright. Good advice is good advice.

lil  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanx

I thought you might disagree because it would be awkward to go to someone in a superior position who treated you badly and say, "I've been thinking about what you said, and ..."

I also thought that since whatever you said was soooo much a non-issue, apologizing would seem ridiculous. Anyway, I'm glad it all ended well.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Not all. Some, maybe even many, deal with things with integrity.

I wanted to put something similar into my own comment, but I'm in precisely the mood to agree with what Devac said - or, at least, give it a thought.