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45usp  ·  4596 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ask Hubski: Does God's omniscience preclude free will?
I've adopted the viewpoint that differentiates between 'faith' and 'reasonable expectation.' Reasonable expectations are based on evidence. Faith is the belief that something happens or will happen despite the lack of evidence or the presence of evidence to the contrary. (I can't claim this my own original thinking. I think I've heard Neil deGrasse Tyson use these terms, but I honestly don't know if he established the dichotomy so cleanly himself or adopted it from another source.) I like this differentiation because it makes it easy to sort out things like ghost stories, good luck charms, portents and so forth.

As to the original question, I was just thinking about this topic the other day because of something someone said to me. I found myself with a lot of leftover building supplies after a project, so I gave it to an acquaintance. I was helping him load the stuff, and in conversation he said, "We've been so fortunate. God has blessed us!" He attributed my kindness to his deity, connoting within his belief system that I didn't make the choice on my own to give the stuff away and to give it to him specifically. Well, I absolutely did make that choice. I debated whether it would be quickest and easiest to take it to the dump or give it to Habitat or what. The notion that I was predestined to make the choice to give it to this one specific person due to some interference by God is offensive to me, honestly. I guess this is an example of omnipotence (all powerful) instead of omniscience (knowing all) but in a lot of cases, it's a package deal.





winston  ·  4596 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Playing devils advocate: Some of faith would say that it is a "feeling" or an "inclination" that provides this "proof" or "evidence". This is something that cannot be proven but is described as being very "real" to those that claim it. Can a "feeling" count as evidence?
45usp  ·  4596 days ago  ·  link  ·  
No. Feelings are wildly inconsistent from one person to another, and within one person from one moment to the next. Beyond that, there are scientific explanations for feelings (emotional responses) and those explanations are themselves rooted in evidence and experimentation. Witness something like Jesus Camp, where the attendees swear on their lives that they felt God's touch; when in reality those transformative experiences were fully engineered by the camp organizers.
winston  ·  4593 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Jesus camp sounds like a terrifying place imho. You are right, emotional responses can be scientifically explained. Thank you for the response.
thenewgreen  ·  4596 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Whenever I hear someone tell someone else that they are "lucky" in regards to an accomplishment I have a similar reaction. Most people create their own luck. Have a great career that you enjoy? Chances are you worked really hard to obtain it. Have well behaved children? That didn't just manifest on its own.

When I was younger I was working at a restaurant in Ann Arbor and our head bartender was going to Ghana to study architecture for a summer. One of the regulars of the restaurant came in and asked where the bartender was? I said, Ghana and he said how great it was and I replied, "Yeah, he's so lucky". The guest stopped my in my tracks and said to me while looking intently at me "you know, you create your own luck in life". -That was a transformative moment for me.

Do we have free will? Hell yes, and I use it and I sure as hell don't wait for divine intervention. By the way, very nice of you to help out your acquaintance. Welcome to Hubski.

45usp  ·  4596 days ago  ·  link  ·  
They say luck is when preparation meets opportunity. I like that.
thenewgreen  ·  4595 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I like that too, thanks.