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kleinbl00  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: We have always been at war with UI

Sorry this took me so long to crank through. What can I say. It was Valentine's Day and there were better things to do with my time.

But it's worth reading. Thanks. I disagree with his conclusions, though, and that's worth talking about, too.

The basic gripes of the piece are:

1) Don't change stuff in the name of progress unless it's actually progress

2) Don't change stuff without thinking about why you're changing it

3) Don't simplify stuff for the sake of simplifying it without accounting for why it's complicated.

As whipping boys for these arguments, the author uses three whipping boys: Twitter, Tumblr and KDE. And while I don't know KDE from my armpit, I know OS X and a lot of the KDE programs mentioned... and I know Twitter and Tumblr's latest foibles. And I think the author is griping about a symptom, not the underlying cause. Wanna hear a joke?

Q: How do you get dual monitor support on a 2008 Mac Pro under Mavericks?

A: Connect three monitors.

This is a documented problem across the Internet: Yosemite, Mavericks and El Capitan suck at multi-monitor support for older Macs. It's even been argued that it's an easy fix. It's a maddening one, too - you update your OS and all of a sudden your desktop is smaller. I've been dealing with it for a year now and it's become abundantly clear that Apple doesn't give the first fuck about older Macs. Why not?

- They're never making another dime off those computers

- Abandoning them makes their newer computers faster through streamlined code

- Actively screwing up your old shit forces people to adapt to new shit

And adapt I did, clear out of Apple's ecosystem. Which probably suits Apple just fine as they've effectively abandoned the pro market. If it isn't an iSomething they don't give a fuck. In this case, it's not that Apple "forgot" about their older systems, it's that Apple actively decided to burn those systems in the name of progress.

It's a profit-driven motive. If you aren't monetizing those systems anymore, why support them? Which gets to the other problem with the article: Engagement matters far more than efficiency in free software.

Yeah - Twitter is changing shit just to change shit. Thing is, their existing userbase doesn't fucking matter. Maybe if they tweak it they can get more people to look at it. And really - there's no way to measure productivity within Twitter because Twitter doesn't do a single productive thing. However, the more buttons you mash to get something done, the more metrics you're generating that prove you're "engaging" with the software. These are metrics Twitter desperately needs, as its stock price is swirling the bowl right now.

See also: Tumblr, which Marissa Mayer was trying to turn into Youtube. Yahoo's goal with Tumblr wasn't to keep existing Tumblr users happy, it was to bring new Tumblr users into the fold. They'll do anything to accomplish this. The whole dustup where they made the default image aspect ratio 16:9 rather than square was all about reblogging video at the expense of pictures, which is all about engagement. Tumblr actively making post editing difficult is the same idea: you're less likely to purge old media links that way, which increases their backlinks, which increases their SEO metrics, which increases their value. The fact that nowhere in here does the user matter is par for the course: Tumblr creates nothing of use to Tumblr except links and engagement, so links and engagement are what they're optimizing for. Tumblr also has a rep for controversial content and burning old users without a second glance if they're slightly controversial is exactly what Yahoo did to Flickr, which chased away a lot of their hard-core users and made everyone forget Flickr for half a decade. I'm sure it made sense for Yahoo. It didn't make sense at all for Flickr users.

And that's really the core issue: if you don't have a product whose utility can be measured by common-sense metrics, you'll use exotic, ridiculous metrics. That which is measured is managed and if you can't measure your customers' useful qualities you'll measure their useless qualities.

So really - I don't think this guy's beef is about UI. I think his beef is about the fact that he's defining "customer" differently than the companies he works with. And I think this is a realization we're all going to start having soon.



WanderingEng  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have a question and an anecdote unrelated to UI.

    And adapt I did, clear out of Apple's ecosystem

How has that gone? I've owned three computers as an adult: a Dell desktop purchased in 2000, a Toshiba laptop in 2006 and a MacBook in 2008. The MacBook is easily the best of the three. Apple offers El Capitan for my MacBook, something they remind me of every few days. I upgraded to it once, and it made my computer nearly unusable. I wiped it and restored from backup. Coming up on eight years old, it's time for a new computer. But will I be any happier fighting with Windows or Linux? I wasn't when I was 25, and I doubt I will be at 35.

    Yeah - Twitter is changing shit just to change shit. Thing is, their existing userbase doesn't fucking matter. Maybe if they tweak it they can get more people to look at it

Ouch but spot on. My anecdote here is being a fan of a band that had a cult following, sort of "indie darlings" (I cringe saying it but have no better term). For their last album they hired pop producers who'd worked with more successful pop stars. Their interviews leading up to the release all said the same thing: "we know we're going to lose some people." Die hard fans don't fill venues. An album sold to a fleeting 13 year old is just as good as a sale to a 35 year old, ten year fan. I think that's consistent with your point: does anyone lose any sleep over losing one customer but gaining two? No.

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kleinbl00  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In my opinion:

Windows 10 has a lot of the ugly shit that Windows XP had, except it breaks with a lot less finality. It also has many of the elegant bits of 10.6, except with a lot less polish. To me, Windows looks to be about 10 years behind OS X, which in this case is good, because OS X is rapidly becoming a shitpile.

And holy crap that whole thing where Mac and Windows hardware were at parity? Yeah, those days are over. The Windoze box is four times the bruiser of a high-end Mac Pro at half the cost. Pro Tools sees it as 16 4.5 GHz cores and I had it built for me, tested for a week and shipped out bespoke for under $4k.

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mknod  ·  3532 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I believed a lot of the hype about mac and eventually picked up a 2013 Macbook Pro with Retina display.

Man was that Retina display nice.

Now I use a lenovo dual booting windows and linux.

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