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cgod  ·  4662 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Great Books that aren't all that great.
I can't stand Falkner. His characters are all people I wouldn't care to know in real life and are doing/thinking nothing that I care to be bothered about, I don't know why he is considered to be a great american author.

On the other hand, there are many great authors and books which I haven't been able to engage with, but I am unwilling to contest their greatness. I am a huge reader of nautical history and fiction, but can't seem to get into most of Melville work, I don't think he is a bad writer, something about him just doesn't engage me.

Ulysses was impenetrable to me, it must be great, or the king has no clothes, I'm not certain which, it was so impenetrable to me that I don't know.

I think there is something about trying to define what is great literature that doesn't sit right with me, or at least trying to say that "these are the 100 greatest books ever written." It's like people who get in arguments about who the greatest guitar player ever was. It's fine to say "I think the greatest guitar player ever is Leo Kottke," but to assert it as fact just seems foolish. Reading the entire list of a 100 greatest books of all times is probably less edifying then following your interest and then looking on amazon and reading whatever people who like what you what you liked also enjoyed. Well that might not be true if you read trashy romance novels, but if you are a serious and open minded reader I think it might be.





alpha0  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
> I think there is something about trying to define what is great literature that doesn't sit right with me

I have a simple formula: Great literature shapes language, thought, and feelings. So Bible is great literature, & pretty much anything by William Shakespeare.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13320268/Neologisms-by-Shakespeare

> Joyce

(We just have to wait and see if James Joyce really did write the "new Bible" (per Jung)).

mk  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think A Clockwork Orange qualifies. :) Damn good book, btw.
alpha0  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
That is an amazing book.
mk  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yes, it really is inspired. I only read it about two years ago. Of course I had seen the movie long before. Such a work.
alpha0  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Have seen that film at least 20 times. First few times around (not having read the book) I thought the world of Kubrick; the language is simply phenomenal and gives every appearance of (organic) plausibility. Then finally read the book and it became clear that for once Kubrick was actually riding someone else's fast moving coattails. That is a must read book.

(Speaking of the film: have you noted that there a just a 2 'individual' characters in that film and the rest are 'repeated patterns'?)

mk  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>(Speaking of the film: have you noted that there a just a 2 'individual' characters in that film and the rest are 'repeated patterns'?)

No. Alex and P.R. Deltoid?

alpha0  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
No, deltoid is a clone of his dad. Writer looks like "dear lovely Ludwig Van's" bust. It's the priest.
caio  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
"Great literature shapes language, thought, and feelings." In a general way or in a personal one?
alpha0  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Well, as a cultural product its primary impact is the host culture (and/or invaded or related nations). For example, every time I sit in cab in NYC and the driver is Pakistani or Afghani, they start quoting Persian literature for me. It is quite embarrassing for me since they know their Saadi far better than the native son :( (Apparently Persian Literature is on the curriculum in Central Asia.)

These cultural product provide concise pedagogical content that the larger society absorbs and then, in a "personal" way, each individual applies in (both) his or her internal reflection and external expression. There is pretty much a Persian proverb for every little thing that can happen and most come from "literature" of our greats. Of course, for the serious reader, each of these compact literary forms are gateways to the deeper (occult) content matter.

http://www.pantherwebworks.com/I_Ching/bk1h11-20.html#16