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lessismore  ·  4575 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Atheism and Oppression
If it weren't for their beliefs, they wouldn't have to fight the legislation in the first place.




JTHipster  ·  4575 days ago  ·  link  ·  
This is something difficult to test, and assumes quite a lot about someone. Again, it does come down to a belief.

I don't believe that religion ultimately determines the quality of a person. A Christian can be intelligent, tolerant, open minded, everything that we as a society view as "good." I've met people like that, very, very smart people who were also religious. The fact that they believed in a god did not change their intelligence. The fact that I do not does not change mine.

Likewise, I've met some incredibly stupid atheists. Most of r/atheism, for instance, is banal and offensive. I use to be a great deal more militant about the issue of religion until I saw r/atheism, and I simply couldn't continue towards what I saw as the end result of that style of thought. I've also seen some incredibly stupid Christians, the people who fell for the goatse photoshop of clouds awhile back, or the people who honestly take the bible as word for word accurate.

These people would be just as smart or just as stupid with or without religion. Does religion play a part in shaping how bigotry forms? Yes, of course it does, but its not the source of it and its certainly not the key role, which in all honesty is probably severely repressed sexuality.

More often than not, religion is the excuse rather than the cause. Those who honestly believe the Crusades were fought over anything but money and conquest are not really well educated about the subject.

lessismore  ·  4574 days ago  ·  link  ·  
    This is something difficult to test, and assumes quite a lot about someone. Again, it does come down to a belief.

This assumes nothing. The original legislation were pushed for and passed by the people of faith.

    I don't believe that religion ultimately determines the quality of a person.

Again, people of faith think otherwise. They think that atheist/secular people have no moral compass.

thenewgreen  ·  4572 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Times are changing, I know some christians that would never say that nonbelievers have no moral compass. There are some christians out there that see their faith as a relationship between themselves and their creator, they see no need to try and shove it down your throat. For them it's more about spirituality thanoreligion. These are the types of christians that I enjoy being around.

They do exist but they are no where near as loud or plentiful as the bible thumping whack jobs, unfortunately.