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mk  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: This American Life - Full Retraction (and my thoughts)  ·  
I know lessismore badged this, but I had to badge it too. Thanks for this post.

My wife is Chinese, and we go to China every year or so. I'm not an expert on China, but I have family there, and I have been there several times, and have visited a number of places. We visit there every year or so. Several of our friends are from China.

China has real problems. Had Daisey visited coal mines, especially illegal ones, he probably wouldn't have had to embellish much to pull at American's heartstrings. However, he didn't do that. He visited Foxconn, and said that it was much worse than it was. I haven't been to Foxconn. However, my impression is that it is far from the worst example of working conditions in China. In fact, given what the workers are paid, and the scrutiny they have come under, I am willing to guess that Foxconn represents a general improvement in the manufacturing sector.

Having familiarity with China, I am aware of how the US media embraces anti-China bias. Some of the bias is deserved, however, much is not, and some is just plain wrong. My wife has had more than one person say to her (paraphrasing): "You must be so happy that you were able to come to the US". That ignorance is sickening for us. No one could say that if they visited a major Chinese city. In some ways, it is painfully obvious that China is ahead of the US in development. Not in all ways, but in some. China is a great place to be, and the country is rapidly moving to a better place. It has real problems, but they aren't always what we think they are.

What really bothers me about Daisey's piece, is that it plays into American's conceptions about China by telling lies. Some of these conceptions are close to truth, yet many are not. IMHO the real damage is creating a simplified caricature of a country that is far more complex than most Americans understand.

If Daisey did any good here, maybe his getting caught created a conversation that will make Americans more skeptical of what they are told about China.





thenewgreen  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Well said, I've never been to China but my wife has and through her and people I know (you) my impression is of a rapidly growing modern society juxtaposed with a very poor rural one. It is high on my list of places to explore.

That's the first double badge I've seen. Pretty sweet!

lessismore  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
For modern China, go to Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Chengdu in no particular order. If you want to experience something more "cultural" and scenic, I cannot recommend Lijiang and Emei Shan enough.
thenewgreen  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Someday. May be a few years yet.
lessismore  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yeah. Gotta wait until your princess is a little older so that she can truly appreciate the experience.
mk  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Or Hainan!
lessismore  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I have not been to Hainan. When the kid is a little older, we will need to do a family trip there.
mk  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
We went there for the first time last year. Oh geez, it is awesome. The coast is beautiful, and the water is fantastic, but driving into the center of the island was amazing. It's very lush, and feels very remote.

We haven't been to the West. That's next. :)

lessismore  ·  4730 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If you're truly adventurous, you may consider visiting the 4 sacred Buddhist mountains in China.

Pu Tuo Shan, Buddhist mountain of the east, Zhejiang province, 284 meters. Sacred to Kuan-Yin, the Bodhisattva of Compassion.

Wu Tai Shan, Buddhist mountain of the north, Shanxi province, 3061 meters. Sacred to Manjushri, the Bodhisattva of Wisdom.

Emei Shan, Buddhist mountain of the west, Sichuan province, 3099 meters. Sacred to Samantabhadra, the Bodhisattva of Benevolent Action.

Jiu Hua Shan, Buddhist mountain of the south, Anhui province, 1341 meters. Sacred to Kshitigarbha, the Bodhisattva of Salvation.