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coffeesp00ns  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ukraine: The Ugly Truth

I think we need to be careful of where this information is coming from. I was suspicious of the tone of the article, so I looked up Vladislav Gulevich. Mr. Gulevich seems to write often from a "pro-russian" slant.

A few Gems from Mr. Gulevich -

    With Kiev being under the effect of narcotic anesthesia, the West has started the process of Ukraine’s territorial dismemberment. This fact is obvious for everyone.

There's probably some intellectual basis for this. The Cold War never really ended, Ukraine is just the latest pawn.

This, however -

    The Crimean Tatars is not the only name of the sub ethnic group. They are often called Polish-Lithuanian or Belorussian Tatars, because the first Tatar settlers came to Lithuania and Belarus as well as to Poland, the lands that were part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania those days. It’s Belarus, not Poland where the largest Tatar community resides (over 7 thousand people, while the figure is around one thousand for Poland). But Poland uses the Tatars for propaganda purposes pursuing geopolitical goals. Head of Mejlis of Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev and other Crimean Tatar nationalists have met the representatives of Polish Tatar organizations. There is one thing that unites them – the hostility towards Russia.

Is pretty obviously anti-Polish and anti-Tatar propaganda (neither of which are new to Russia), a vein which continues through his body of work (at least for the past two years, but with a few smatterings in his later Catalogue in the link i shared above)

Does this mean that nothing in this article can be seen as fact? Certainly not. It does, however, make me question the source of the information and inquire as to its factual truth.





rrrrr  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, that is fair. I submitted it really because I think we hear a lot of propaganda leaning the other way about Ukraine, and in the absence of any neutral objective sources (I have trouble finding anything that seems so) a bit of the pro-Russian view can serve as a counterbalance. They have been complaining a lot recently about the casualties of Ukrainian attacks, and yet we hear little of this in Western media (and not because there are no casualties, they are just not mentioned much).

coffeesp00ns  ·  3942 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get where you're coming from. I still don't entirely agree, but that's fine, we don't need to.

Unfortunately, just like any war, the people in the middle come out the worst off. If you leave your house, you will lose everything. if you stay, your life is in danger every day. If you flee to the West and the pro-Russian separatists win, you may never see your family in the east again. If you flee to the east and the Ukraine wins back its control over the Russian border, you spend the rest of your life waiting for the other shoe to drop and Russia to bring its own bombers in the night.

These people are stuck, and what's worse, they are used by either side as an image of "the atrocities of the Maidan government", or "Proof that the separatists are losing ground". They're pawns, media opportunities, Photo-ops and tools to appeal for more funding to the war effort.

I understand that V for Vendetta is a problematic book, and that as a piece of fiction it must be taken with a grain of salt and a consideration for the Author's message. However, when situations like this come up - where dead civilians are used as a photo opportunity in war to rouse one side or the other I can only think of the line "if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror." ( I think this actually come from the movie, not the book, but I couldn't do my due diligence on it this evening)

People do this, governments do this, Fox, Russian Times, and MSNBC do this because it WORKS. We allow them to do it. We allow them to appeal to our emotions and get us angry, because when we're angry we don't think.