b_b, I mean no disrespect to the original discussion. I just felt like mulling the idea over for awhile, and addressing it more seriously than I would have in a quick remark. There were a number of interesting replies. The two that struck me most were ecib’s and lil’s. ecib’s impressed me with the noble attempt at being concise. It is easy to blather on about a subject, so I always appreciate the effort to make a nice crisp assertion. Unfortunately, the question just becomes: “Why is removing agency wrong?” -- but that is, at least, a clearer question. lil’s answer was nicely lyrical. A part of me is inclined to bash people for relying on eloquence to make a point – but having done that many times I wouldn’t like to be a hypocrite. lil’s answer also expresses something consequential that probably wouldn’t get expressed so well if lil weren’t here.