I don't think I've got enough to meet your challenge. :) To be honest, this is not an issue I’ve invested much time in. I might compare it to the salmon die-off in Canada; I do find it interesting, but not personally interesting to me enough to dig out all the facts that would make me comfortable enough to assert a strong stance on the issue. -That’s in part why I mentioned that I was speaking from my personal position. I don’t want people to assume that I have studied it deeply, or that I care to convince them to take a particular stance regarding human cloning.

So, like I said, I see the human cloning issue mostly through the perspective of technological limitations that I am aware of, rather than a fundamentally ethical one. Of course, there are ethical dimensions to most issues, so I’m not saying I have no ethical underpinnings. Like you point out, the notion of ‘not ready yet’ is rooted in a notion of what is and what is not ethical.

The question that you put forward about which point is it ok to move from animal to human is an interesting one. There are established guidelines for animal testing for drugs and surgeries. I would guess that the point I would pick would fall on the conservative side of those guidelines. And yes, at some point, there would be a ‘good enough for me’. But, hell if I know enough about cloning right now to pick it. If I did, I’d be bullshitting you. I hate doing that.

I can share my perspective, but I’m not the right guy if you’re looking for some good sparing on this issue, or to be moved from your own position. I’d be happy to read if someone else wants to grab the ball, but this just isn’t my game.