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gregory also has a lifetime warranty. i've lived a cumulative few weeks out of their Border 30 and Border 18 bags, with no complaints (ok onetime i got caught in a massive downpour and umbrella priorities went to a girl i was with and not my bag and my computer took one for the team, but that's on me) never had a backpacking bag from them though. i have a newer rei trail 40 and it's fine but i'm a pretty casual backpacker. last trip was a 1 nighter in Point Reyes and it was great. also only worth it if you find it on sale. the older version was better and i regret returning it.