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johnnyFive  ·  2150 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Daniel DeNicola: You don’t have a right to believe whatever you want to

Your descriptions make a lot of sense, and I'm glad to see I wasn't wildly off base.

    How would you describe that? Is it that Putin sees Russia as ultimately a failure and tries to suck it dry (along with the other oligarchs) before it's done?

Maybe, although I think it's more a perspective that says "there are no good options, so rather than trying to find the option that helps us the most, I'm going to find the one that hurts us the least."

Speaking of machoness and homosexuality, I actually wrote a brief paper in college (that I'm sure is lost to the mists of time) about how HIV/AIDS was getting really bad over there. As I recall, it was a combination of things: Russia being a transit point between East Asia and Western Europe, and IV drug use. But supposedly (and you may be able to confirm this), part of the reason it was spreading so much was that it was still seen as a "gay" disease, and so people just wouldn't deal with it.

Random side question: is голубой still used as a slang (and not very nice, as I understand it) word for gay people?

Fun random fact related to my random side question: I cannot confirm this is true, but when I took Mandarin in college, we were taught that the Mandarin word for comrade, 同志 (tóngzhì), is used as a derrogatory word for homosexuals in Taiwan.

    What about Putin? What's the attitude towards the man himself and/or as the leader of Russia?

Not especially favorable. I would say that he's seen as callous, corrupt, and amoral.





user-inactivated  ·  2150 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    about how HIV/AIDS was getting really bad over there.

I was never aware of the size of the HIV/AIDS infection in Russia. I remember TV commercials, greyscale and quietly dramatic, warning against getting infected. There were never stats presented, nor was there ever a conversation - in school, with parents or among peers.

Dirty needles was a problem when I was growing up. I've never witnessed people using, but I'd seen a lot of empty syringes around. I could find one a day just by going to school and back, which took five minutes. My mother would always caution me against picking them up.

It never connected with HIV/AIDS in my head, but I reckon now they had something to do with each other.

    But supposedly (and you may be able to confirm this), part of the reason it was spreading so much was that it was still seen as a "gay" disease, and so people just wouldn't deal with it.

Can't confirm or deny it, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone in Russia say that. The main HIV/AIDS conversation was around heterosexual relationships. The commercials would always portray young men and women; never two men or two women.

Homosexuality is not even a conversation in the mainstream, mostly because it's led by bullheaded, narrow-minded old wheezers whose views would be welcome in the Republican Party of the US. Young men still stay away from the subject because of the same macho bullshit, but it's hereditary rather than self-assumed. Young women? I'm not sure they'd mind it so much. At least gay men make for decent male friends - something young women nowadays lack dramatically.

    is голубой still used as a slang (and not very nice, as I understand it) word for gay people?

It's been a while since I've heard the term, but that's probably because I don't hang out with bigots. If you say it today, people will understand you.

johnnyFive  ·  2150 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I remember at the time, the stats on infection rates were getting pretty bad. Not like sub-Saharan Africa bad, but still bad. Sadly, a quick search does not suggest things have gotten any better.

This article from 2015 mostly focuses on how the government is fucking the dog on the issue:

    "Look at what they are currently doing with their budget. Will we get more signs on the metro telling us HIV doesn't occur in monogamous relationships?" Malyshev said, referring to a current public information campaign on the Moscow subway. The signs read: "Love and loyalty to your partner is your protection from AIDS" and "HIV isn't transferred through friendship."

From here (autoplay video warning), we have this:

    According to the United Nations' UNAIDS program, Russia had the third-highest number of new HIV infections globally in 2015, behind South Africa and Nigeria.

    Russian government statistics show that more than half of new infections are transmitted through intravenous drug use. And the rate of infection is rising.

Finally, this one is local (although I know nothing about the publication). Still, if I'm reading the headline correctly, it says that Russia had more (new?) HIV infections than the rest of Europe combined.

Sadly all these articles pretty much suggest the same thing: a combination of conservative policies (that gut spending, refuse to allow sex ed, and basically pretend the problem doesn't exist) and IV drug use.

user-inactivated  ·  2149 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    and basically pretend the problem doesn't exist

That's Russia's way of dealing with any serious problem.

My hope is that, once the USSR generation dies off, the younger people would be more willing to have a conversation about sex, sexuality and related issues. Right now, sex ed is maybe a thing of two private schools. HIV? "Just don't do it".

Those are terrifying stats, to be frank. "behind South Africa and Nigeria" - fuck!

P.S. Kommersant is, to my knowledge, a respectable newspaper, but I'm no expert.

johnnyFive  ·  2148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We have no small amount of that here, as you've no doubt seen. I think it's simply human nature: we're hard-wired to ignore contrary evidence, especially when it's something that our egos get wrapped up in (such as group affiliation).

user-inactivated  ·  2148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure. Just look at my comment history, sorted by "most aggravated".