I say "Religion and spirituality cannot be proven or disproved." You say "Yes, of course they can." I say 'No, they cannot." You say "Yes, they can." At this point I have nothing else to say on that matter. The point of debate is to present your points and let the listener decide. At the beginning of the discussion, you forced your idea upon me. "This is the right idea! Other ideas are inherently wrong!" No, I do not. I think that you hold your own opinion. I also think that you express your opinion in a rude way. However, I have given a circle to this post because in this post you explain how you feel (mostly) without looking down on other views. I feel that we come to our opinions on this subject from different mindsets. You come from a more logical, scientific mindset. I come from a more emotional, spiritual mindset. We have been collided from the start of discussion to disagree. I do not know how to explain to you how I feel because you would scoff at my thoughts. I have no evidence, no proof, no things that could be listed but my view. My view cannot be quantified. That is very much the point. Nobody knows. Some people think they know. People do not agree.I am sure that you also believe I am missing something, that I am uninformed
I can't do much to that little nagging voice in my head saying "what's the difference between that and spirituality not existing at all?
And why would I hold an opinion different than you if we were both equally informed and equally correct? I agree! I tend to avoid doing any voting or sharing when involved in any debate, but an eye for an eye. I don't mean to be... even more of an ass here, but I did say this earlier: (I can't get this to go into a quote, the site keeps excaping my bar character | by putting a \ before it.) And, honestly, once it gets down to that point, there is no longer a possibility of debate.No, I do not. I think that you hold your own opinion.
I also think that you express your opinion in a rude way
I have given a circle to this post because in this post you explain how you feel (mostly) without looking down on other views.
I come from a more emotional, spiritual mindset. We have been collided from the start of discussion to disagree.
reducing things to the final-endpoint of every other atheism vs theism debate I have seen. "I feel this is true, and you should respect my opinions. Evidence does not mean what I think is not true, science does not give me a reason to live".
That is a very bad and biased explanation of the endpoint, but it's the one I have seen happen over and over. |
It is okay. I have done well with this post by reading quotes as you and material as quotes. Because two people can look at information and view it in different ways. This is because, going back to a previous statement, this question is not a scientific question. There is no "correct answer," and there is no way to be correct. It is only a matter of opinion. People can have different opinions even on important things. That is okay. I do not understand your "final endpoint". What does "science does not give me a reason to live" refer to?And why would I hold an opinion different than you if we were both equally informed and equally correct?
My concern with religion is one of truth. Is there a deity, is there a spirit, is there metaphysics. To that question, there is only one answer. I do understand that you can look at things from the viewpoint that objective reality is not all there is, and that there can be something beyond that we cannot see, that we cannot detect, etc, and you feel it is there, you feel it is real. However, I view that as wrong, just as you probably view the fact that I do not see or believe in anything beyond the physical as wrong.