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What Do Animals See in the Mirror?
What Do Animals See in the Mirror?  ·  7
birchbarkcanoe  ·  3825 days ago
nationalgeographic.com  ·  #animals  ·  #animals.birchbarkcanoe

    Dogs evolved to communicate through scent, and smell is "more important for dogs than a visual recognition of 'self,'"
I never really thought about this before, but now that it's mentioned I can think of examples of this in my own dog's behavior...kind of interesting.
    Some zoos have used mirrors to trigger mating and nest building among flamingos, which breed only when they perceive their colonies are of a certain size, she said
I find this somewhat troubling...I feel as though we shouldn't manipulate an animal's comfort in an environment...any thoughts?

Also, my dog used to freak out every single time he saw his own reflection. I think he's used to mirrors now but we have to pull the shades on our glass doors at night so that he doesn't panic. Kind of interesting how the doors/windows and mirrors have a different effect on him.

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rollercoaster  ·  3686 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My dog does not react to mirrors or reflections of herself but she reacts when she sees other people. I find that very interesting.

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firethief  ·  3824 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I find this somewhat troubling...I feel as though we shouldn't manipulate an animal's comfort in an environment...any thoughts?

Why, because it's dishonest? Zoos set up the animals' whole environments to deceive them into feeling at home and I'm 100% okay with that.

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birchbarkcanoe  ·  3824 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get that they want to make the animals feel at home (and I'm 100% supportive of that too) but at first glance that line made it seem as though that was the only effort made to make a very small space with few flamingos feel like a big space with lots of them. I realize that that is not quite the case, but I feel like deceiving the animals in terms of population numbers could end pretty badly in terms of the animals' mental state.

Zoos have always made me uncomfortable....

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firethief  ·  3824 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hm. I see how the mirror might be confusing and stressful for them, but they could also be happier with it than not -- they naturally live in enormous numbers most zoos couldn't reasonably replicate, and according to this article they can't tell the mirror from a whole lot of other flamingos. Hopefully their handlers would be able to tell if it were causing them distress.

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thenewgreen  ·  3825 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Interesting thing to consider. As a child we had a fish tank and in it, a Siamese Fighting Fish. If you held up a mirror to the tank, it would flare it's fins and charge at it. They're very aggressive towards fellow males. In fact, if you were to put a mirror in the tank it would likely die from exhaustion, due to a never ending garage of attacks.

I have a one year old and we spend a lot of time these days waiving "hello" and "goodbye" at his reflection. I look forward to when he realizes he is waiving to himself.

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briandmyers  ·  3825 days ago  ·  link  ·  

According to this, around 20 months or so is when babies realise "that's me"

http://www.spring.org.uk/2008/05/when-self-emerges-is-that-me-in-mirror.php

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birchbarkcanoe  ·  3824 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's interesting how a child passes through a stage of withdrawal between "another baby!" and "it's me!" My parents have told me that I was terrified of the full-length mirror in their bedroom for quite a long time, so this self-conscious withdrawal makes sense.

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