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lil  ·  3464 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Perils and Privileges of Loneliness

I agree with you nimbus. His marriage quotes include Chekhov:

    If you are afraid of loneliness, do not marry.
and Rilke
    the highest task of lovers is that each stands guard over the solitude of the other
Really? I don't think so.

You are right that his main point was to emphasize the difference between loneliness and solitude and I agree with those points. As flagamuffin knows, I'm the cheerleader for periods of solitude. This article says

    Loneliness is the pain of being alone, and is damaging. Solitude is the joy of being alone, and is restorative, even empowering.

I like that he refers to the evolutionary theory of emotions. Fear, for example, evolved to protect us from danger; guilt evolved to encourage us to measure our behaviour against our beliefs. Loneliness, he says, evolved to motivate us to seek out social bonds which potentially protect us from danger in a scary world.

Along with other social scientists such as Sherry Turkle Alone Together he suggests that the comforts of the Internet are inauthentic:

    The internet has become the great comforter, and seems to offer it all: news, knowledge, music, entertainment, shopping, relationships, and even sex. But in the longer term, it stokes our envy and longing, distorts our needs and priorities, desensitizes us to violence and suffering, and, by creating a false sense of connectedness, entrenches superficial relationships at the cost of living ones.
In terms of hubski, I have to object. The sense of connectedness I feel with my hubski friends is not false. But it is a different kind of connectedness than I might feel for my neighbours. We are capable of many many kinds of connectedness. If I was stuck in another city, I'd ask my neighbours to come by and feed my cats. But if I was stuck in an ethical dilemma, I'd probably ask hubski for some ideas.

I have a serious problem with this section of the article:

    All these parties (he's referring to managers, doctors, "stakeholders" of all kinds) train in communication, negotiation, and conflict handling skills, and schedule time and organize activities for team building, group bonding, and networking. Yet they cannot find the opportunity or humanity to listen, think, or feel, or even to exercise elementary common sense.
That seems to be a carelessly overgeneralized statement. This author could make his points better without dismissing managers of all stripes.

A final note on marriage. The author says

    it is common to feel lonely within a marriage because the relationship is no longer validating or nurturing us, but instead diminishing us and holding us back.
Indeed, this is an argument for finding a partner that offers endless possibilities. After experiencing relationships that diminish you or hold you back, move on to something different not more of the same -- I think some of you perhaps know of what I speak: b_b insomniasexx _refugee_, and I would add myself to that list.




nimbus  ·  3464 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks lil, I appreciate your thoughts on this :) I think yours and _refugee_'s comments tie in well together and I agree - I think this article is over-generalized, which like _refugee_ said is perhaps a good thing as an introduction to the topic/concept, but it doesn't go much further than that. His views are overtly biased which seems to serve his purpose for making a snappy point in a magazine-style article. And it did make me prick my ears, which, scrolling through endless amounts of links and articles these days is quite rare (unfortunately). haha yeah, his Chekhov quote did dampen my spirits for a while, especially used the way it is at the end of his paragraph about how common it is for people to feel lonely in marriage! But I respect his craftmanship as a writer. And thanks guys for commenting with such awesome feedback. I'm really loving hubski. When I was having my little rant about the portrayal of marriage up there a voice in my head was like "woah, dude, don't express your opinion! You'll get torn to shreds!" but then a second one chimed in and said "wait a sec, this is hubski" :) the second one was right.