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comment by wasoxygen

I drafted the beginning of two replies but they were quickly becoming sermons. It's a big issue.

"lower net inequality is robustly correlated with faster growth."

Faster growth isn't necessarily a sign of welfare. It is mostly a sign that the economy is small, because small things can grow faster than large things. The Top Ten list is not exactly crowded with tourist hotspots:

Libya, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Mongolia, Turks and Caicos Islands, Niger, Turkmenistan, Panama, Macau, Cote d'Ivoire

I was going to say that people want to live in places with high inequality, because that is where there is the most economic activity and wealth. But that list is not very promising either. Haiti is high on all the measures of inequality. It makes sense that large relative differences in some measure does not say much about absolute values of that measure.

Therefore I think we should focus on the welfare of the poor, measured in absolute terms, not compared to extremely wealthy people who happen to live nearby.





ecib  ·  3733 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Faster growth isn't necessarily a sign of welfare.

As an aside, I heard a Marketplace segment this morning talking about specifically this.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/economy/we-probably-should-stop-taking-gdp-so-seriously

The economist who created the GDP measurement warned himself that "The welfare of a nation can scarcely be inferred from a measurement of national income".

Anyway, just thought I'd drop that in there.

rob05c  ·  3733 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The welfare of a nation can scarcely be inferred from a measurement of national income

I've been reading Aung Sang Suu Kyi's Freedom from Fear (fantastic, btw), and her 1994 speech to UNESCO, Empowerment for a Culture of Peace and Development, addresses precisely this:

    When economics is regarded as "the most important key to every lock of every door" it is only natural that the worth of man should come to be decided largely, even wholly, by his effectiveness as an economic tool.

    If material betterment, which is but a means to human happiness, is sought in ways that wound the human spirit, it can in the long run only lead to greater human suffering.

    The alleviation of poverty involves processes which change the way in which the poor perceive themselves and the world. Mere material assistance is not enough; the poor must have the sense that they themselves can shape their own future.
user-inactivated  ·  3733 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't ever mind sermons but they usually inspire me to do research and I just don't have time this weekend.

    Faster growth isn't necessarily a sign of welfare. It is mostly a sign that the economy is small, because small things can grow faster than large things. The Top Ten list is not exactly crowded with tourist hotspots:

Pretty crowded with resources-extraction economies, although I'm curious about Mongolia -- according to Wikipedia Mongolia's mining sector has it ready to become the next Tiger economy or whatever. Didn't know that.

Of course, what we want isn't an absolute top ten, it's a list of how the countries with large inequality are growing compared to the countries with "small" inequality. As I understand it that's what they attempted to do at the IMF.

More importantly -- what about the conclusion that wealth redistribution has essentially no proven negative side effects in the long term?

I'm not pro- or anti- on this issue (generally I don't feel like I know enough about economics to tell what's good and what's bad), but it seems to me that they're saying we could "focus on the welfare of the poor" by focusing on inequality and not have a net negative effect on the economy.