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Mindwolf  ·  3731 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Sir David Attenborough: Enough With the Creationists and Climate Change Deniers!

Sorry but none of that is true. Please provide evidence or documentation of your claims.





overman  ·  3730 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Are you going to address my arguments or are you just going to call them false without providing evidence? How about how many times the IPCC have been caught lying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change#Responses_and_criticisms

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz2udqBRi6x

http://www.sasfor.com/39/post/2010/01/ipcc-caught-lying-again.html

When their data is questions they switch to ad-hominem attacks. Climate scientists act like a bunch of radicals on a crusade rather than actual scientists and they get political power because of their scare tactics against those who aren't capable of arguing against them. They're eschatologists.

Mindwolf  ·  3729 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You made accusations without providing evidence to those accusations. I went through and responded to your initial claims one by one. And provided links to evidence. If you want to make an accusation please show your evidence.

You are using a very common tactic for deniers and many conspiracy theorists. Pointing out a small flaw or fluctuation in the data and trying to use it to invalidate everything. It is a logical fallacy called Cherry picking or fallacy of incomplete evidence.

In that first link it clearly states that they made a mistake, admitted to it and made changes. Hardly a lie. If you want to accuse someone of lying you actually need evidence that they are lying. Not that a date was wrong in a report. Errors happen all the time. Do not let confirmation bias lead you in the wrong direction.

The articles showing that the Himalayan Glacier is growing is another example of cherry picking a single data point and trying to use it to invalidate everything.

The actual fact is that while there can be accumulation due to local precipitation, the overall trend is a massive loss of ice. Cherry picking an individual glacier or ignoring long term trends does not change anything.

As shown in the below graph from Cogley 2009

This video is a perfect example of glacier melt off from different parts of the world and just how massive the loss is.

This video shows the loss of the Kilimanjaro's glaciers. The rate of loss means that it could be completely gone by 2030.

It is a clear fact that glacier ice and Arctic ice is disappearing over time, and the changes are accelerating.