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deepflows  ·  3216 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Post-Capitalism Has Begun

I still don't get how, in Anarcho-capitalism, people would have any chance against corporations exploiting both environment and population - especially since corporations, looking at things from an empirical point of view, seem to be quite happy to crony it up with each other whenever regulators aren't looking.

Last time you (jokingly, I suppose) suggested assassination of the CEO as a solution to the problem of "The people" vs "Blackwater/Xe" in a purely capitalistic society. I'm still not quite convinced that assassination is the kind of balancing mechanism that my kind of utopia would rely on. I suspect neither would you consider this seriously - if only because everyone knows CEOs live on Mt. Doom and one does not simply walk there.

So, again - who or what would keep corporations from screwing over land and people in a capitalist "do whatever the hell you want" scenario?





shiranaihito  ·  3216 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Look into the idea of DROs, which I brought up earlier.

    I still don't get how, in Anarcho-capitalism, people would have any chance against corporations exploiting both environment and population

You do understand that right now it's supposed to be our benevolent slave-masters' job to prevent "corporations" from doing that? How's that working out for us so far? Not that well, and that means we wouldn't be any worse off in that regard without rulers, which means the idea doesn't work as an argument against.. freedom.. :D (see the absurdity?)

So if you want to compare our current societies to what might happen without rulers (i.e. in AnCap), imagine all the differences between enslavement and freedom and try to figure out which would be preferrable to us - the ones that are currently being enslaved.

If people woke up to seeing that they should not have rulers, do you think they'd figure out a way to resist would-be rulers if necessary?

deepflows  ·  3215 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get that. I hope. My scepticism does not really stem from any delusions about the current state of affairs.

I just find it incredibly hard to envision a scenario where getting rid of politicians wouldn't just mean replacing them with different, more openly corporate rulers in anarcho capitalism. "People will figure something out" may just be true, but on the other hand, corporations consist of people, too. People who aren't dumb either and who would be in quite the advantaged position.

I really don't want to argue how you're wrong and I'm right (I think I do that too often). I just suspect that I won't be able to be convinced that more capitalism is the solution any more than I could convince you that we need to leave capitalistic principles behind as much as possible.

shiranaihito  ·  3215 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I just find it incredibly hard to envision a scenario where getting rid of politicians wouldn't just mean replacing them with different, more openly corporate rulers in anarcho capitalism

It's like you didn't even read my message. What part of people resisting would-be rulers because they don't accept rulers anymore do you find incredibly hard to envision?