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NotPhil  ·  4259 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Schneier on Security: NSA Surveillance and Mission Creep

    I've reached a point where I really think that groups of people over a certain size (haven't figure out the size yet) are practically ungovernable without some level of oppression.

You might be interested in Dunbar's Number, or the monkeysphere. It might be the maximum number of people you can have in an organization or community without needing a bureaucracy to manage them.