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mk  ·  4556 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Founders: Religion, Virtue, and Morality and the Success of the American Nation?
Some of these quotes make no reference to religion. For example, Ben Franklin's: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

I think you can interpret that many ways. But regardless, does it really matter what fraction of these men were deists? What do we take from it?

I'm a non-religious person, and I much appreciate that I am not discriminated against for it in the US. As a student of history, I've found countless examples of Christians killing people. I have encountered plenty of nice Christians, but I've also encountered some very unfriendly ones: racist ones, ones that sabatoge others at work, etc. I haven't found that being a Christian means you are a good person. Yes, Christianity mostly teaches you to be one, but I've found that I act more Christ-like than some people that go to church on Sunday.

Morality doesn't require faith, and it surely doesn't require a specific type of faith. We have a system that recognizes this, and I for one am glad for that. Of course everyone of faith is going to think they are coming from the right direction, but that is fundamental property of faith itself.

I have no problems with people practicing their faith, or constructing a world-view based on it that's different from my own. But, I become very uncomfortable when a specific faith wants to guide the interactions of those that don't practice it, especially through government. Deists or not, the founders were wise to the dangers that religion can pose upon a pluralistic democracy and tried to keep church and state seperate for it.