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uhsguy  ·  145 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 24, 2024

I have always argued that Biden is the wrong choice for this and at the very least he’s gotta get a new vp. Nothing is going to change isn’t a great strategy when most people aren’t supper happy with their current situation.





b_b  ·  145 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Really looking forward to the first debate in presidential history in which not a single complete sentence is uttered by either candidate.

spencerflem  ·  145 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I can't muster the energy to care anymore.

If the Republicans don't win this one they'll win the next, or the one after, and wow, for "nothing fundamentally changing" he's sure let the abortion bans go through and all the anti trans legislation in Florida so he's not even effective as an obstructionist.

kleinbl00  ·  145 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'll bite.

What, precisely, would "he" do about abortion bans and anti-trans legislation in Florida?

spencerflem  ·  145 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Idk, something? Maybe it's impossible

It's just hard to care if Biden is unable to do anything. It feels like at best, things will just get worse somewhat slower. I don't know what positive change is even possible to hope for.

Man I'm sorry , this is not a consistent political ideology , just feeling bleak :(

b_b  ·  144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Though I don't actually know, my guess is that you're on the young side of adulthood, no? The older you get, the easier it is to keep things in perspective. Like for example, when my parents were young, the n-word wasn't controversial and a lot of white people used it as the default to discuss blacks. By the time I was a kid in the 80s that was unthinkable. But, 'fag' was the de facto insult for everyone, everywhere, all the time. Transgender may have been invented as a term in academic circles back then, but it sure wasn't known to anyone in the public. The fact that conservatives are making anti-trans legislation is only possible because trans people exist in public these days in a way that they did not until very recently. It may not be perfect, but it's very difficult to not see "positive change" as being possible to hope for. Do not let short periods of noise obscure the very loud signal.

spencerflem  ·  140 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, the social change is great. Huge progress there, feels almost unthinkable to be homophobic anymore. All of this seemed to happen without voting or it really mattering who the president is. And I haven't forgotten that Biden was one of the senators passing anti gay legislation back in the 90s.

I can't really point to anything in Government that's gone the way I'd like it though. I guess Obamacare was better than nothing?

kleinbl00  ·  140 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    All of this seemed to happen without voting or it really mattering who the president is.

I remember Tootsie.

I remember the Defense of Marriage Act.

I remember Murphy Brown pregnant out of wedlock.

I remember Saturday Night Live saying the word "masturbate" on the air.

I remember Barney Frank jokes.

I remember Don't Ask Don't Tell.

ALL of it was hard-fought.

ALL of it was culture picking a fight with government and government not being able to muster the power to kick culture back down.

And that is why Republicans hate culture - they've been steadily losing to culture since they switched from Eisenhower to Goldwater. They're on the ropes and they're swinging wildly and it's ugly as fuck and we're all bleeding but goddamnit in my lifetime we've gone from Dungeons & Dragons = Satanism to "lol Ron DeSantis is picking a fight with Disney."

I lucked out. I kept Bob Dole out of office. I voted for Clinton, and he didn't suck, and then I turned 19 and it was the End of History. If your electoral awakening aligned with Trump entering office? You're gonna be cynical for life.

But the culture really does want things to be more liberal, and the conservatives will always wage culture wars to stay in office.

kleinbl00  ·  144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right. That's on purpose. That feeling you feel? It's being cultivated by the Republicans. "Look at this mess (that we made). Biden has done nothing to stop it/us. Aren't you sad for (what we did to) your country? Stay home and be mad."

Populism arises in times of scarcity. Resources have become increasingly scarce since the Long Boom. Historically, cultures in scarcity pull together or pull apart - post-war Britain pulled together, post-collapse Russia pulled apart. Populists? Always pull apart.

And they do so by cultivating

EXACTLY

that

feeling.

spencerflem  ·  140 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah :/

I mean you're obviously right that the Republicans are screwing things up a lot more. I just wish there was any real resistance.

I think it would be cool to have a little more anti-corporate, anti-billionaire populism than we do now though

kleinbl00  ·  140 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think your patience will be rewarded. Hang in there.

spencerflem  ·  140 days ago  ·  link  ·  

fingers crossed!