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thenewgreen  ·  67 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Dear Joe, it’s time to go

With he exception of FOX News, and even they’ve been more anti-trump the past year, every msm outlet has been very much reporting about the dangers of trump since 2016. The difference is, people don’t buy it. The media landscape has changed so much. People have figured out how it works. For example, he mentioned that if he isn’t elected there would be an economic bloodbath (as related to Chinese auto imports particularly) and the MSM just segmented the, “bloodbath,” part. Out of context it is scary stuff. They do this A LoT!

To be clear, the right does this too. Recently Joe Biden looked like he was confused and couldn’t find a chair or that at worse he was defeating in his pants. The right had a field day online with this.

People are disillusioned with the entire system. Our media has failed us. Our candidates are atrocious. Biden is not mentally fit for the job. I don’t care if it, “comes and goes.” Xi, Putin, Netanyahu and other leaders are sharp as a tack. We deserve the same. You couldn’t pay me to vote for Trump or Biden. I don’t think I will ever vote for another RNC or DNC candidate. I’m done. I will work hard to get a third party candidate elected. This cycle and beyond. All else is Stockholm syndrome. The parties are remarkably similar. Both run up the debt to unforgivable levels and rarely mention it as the threat that it is. We need to be rid of Citizens United. We need ranked choice. We need a cap on campaign spending. We need term limits in Congress. We need to dismantle the revolving door between private and public sector. For example, the head of the FDA during Covid is now on Pfizer's board. We are a mess and thinking either party will change that, or even wants to is ridiculous.





am_Unition  ·  67 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's hard to really know what the context for the "bloodbath" comment was. I've seen the raw clip. After he says the "100% tariffs" bit, he then says "if we don't win, that'll be the least of it, it'll be a bloodbath for the whole country". Yes, the msm focuses far too much on small soundbites, but I can't really convince myself that they're in the tank for biden when there is a massive disconnect between economic indicators and crime statistics vs. perception of both. They have done a poor job of explaining the true threat of Trump, and the editorial decisions, especially with some of the headline selections and choice of stories to focus on, betray their poor grasp of history and overall naivete in this moment. And that's the best case scenario, unknowingly enabling fascism.

    Xi, Putin, Netanyahu and other leaders are sharp as a tack. We deserve the same.

We're not in a position to judge the mental acuity of fascist foreign regime leaders who meticulously control the information that is released about them via state media. I'd take a bumbling old man over a sharp (or whatever Trump is), aspiring fascist any day of the week.

    The parties are remarkably similar.

Insomuch as they're corrupt hyper-capitalists, agreed, but one demands a fascist oligarchy instead of a democratic oligarchy. I'm no lib, I'm an independent, probably socialist-dem, who feels that the most effective way to defeat the fascism element is voting dem right now. MAGA and the GOP will have to be politically vanquished completely before a new party can arise in our stupid-ass political system. Dismantling the oligarchy will require democracy.

I agree with so much of what you've said, but at this moment, it is politically impossible to make a push for it. And I'm sorry, but obviously I don't think RFK is the one to be the torch-bearer, either.

thenewgreen  ·  57 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It's hard to really know what the context for the "bloodbath" comment was.
it’s not hard at all. The speech is available to watch in full context. Free yourself from “clips.”

    I'm no lib, I'm an independent, probably socialist-dem, who feels that the most effective way to defeat the fascism element is voting dem right now

One of the key tenets of fascism is the forcible suppression of opposition. Right now the DNC that you’re supporting is litigating to keep Kennedy and Cornell west off of the ballot in my state. The board of electors here is all dem. They’ve agreed to not certify the signatures for Kennedy and west. They have certified the ability for the right leaning independent candidates though. Odd. Also, they’ve denied Kennedy secret service protection even though he has double digit support, credible threats to his safety etc. Furthermore they agreed to debate outside of the purview of the debate commission, colluding with CNN to set criteria for exclusion tailored to keep indoor dent candidates off of the stage.

Furthermore, they ostracized any candidate that dared to primary Biden, effectively ending any opposition. Thereby stealing your right to choose your democratic candidate. Now, I suspect, they will wait until the last minute to choose their candidate (with no input from you or any other constituents).

Who are the facists here?

Biden may come across as a gentle grandpa but he’s a war monger. And he’s senile. A dangerous combo.

I feel amazing re my support for Kennedy. At 19% nationally now. The tide will turn. And if it doesn’t, I’ll remain proud of my support for him. To vote for either Biden or Trump is to vote against your own personal liberties.