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steve  ·  77 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: September 21, 2022

I heard about this on the radio this morning and could only think of you. Hoping you're able to successfully avoid conscription.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  77 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For what it's worth, I'm currently in the process of frantically looking for a swift way out. Not sure if I'm gonna be able to leave, given the uncertainty about the border rules currently.

My employer's fully behind me, ready to send money "behind the enemy lines" via cryptocurrency. In other words, I'm capable of leaving. Whether I'm able to is a question still in search of an answer.

goobster  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How dumb is my idea...?

Get conscripted.

Go to Ukraine.

Defect/get captured intentionally by the Ukrainians. (Note: Lots of hand-waving here... "I only joined so you could capture me and get me out of Russia!" and hope they take pity on you...)

Continue west.

Wind up in Belgium.

Start your new life, free of Russia.

necroptosis  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

300,000 conscripted troops with a possibility of 700,000 more means a TON of possible deserters. Russia has an officer driven military. Those officers will be very few and far in-between and in charge of keeping large numbers of conscripts in line. The Russian logistical network is also rough, and I highly doubt they'll be able to keep up with 300,000 new people. Which basically means:

1. Executions for deserters will skyrocket

2. Food, medicine, and supplies will be minimal. Including winter gear..

3. The Ukrainian POW system is going to be overrun with people. They are probably taking better care of prisoners than the Russians (recent footage from prisoner exchanges have been horrid). But not that much better.

Best option is to get out before they can snag you. Deserting is the last ditch of all attempts.

kleinbl00  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

necroptosis  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Jesus, a decimation of young males. So much for learning from our mistakes

kleinbl00  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You have to keep in mind that it's a rare economist who suffers from their predictions being wildly wrong.

But those predictions can be wildly wrong and still be really f'n rough for Russia, the Russian people and greater Asia in general. Considering all the jockeying between Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Georgia already a further weakening of Russia geopolitically is going to open a bloody free-for-all.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You've missed a few steps:

1. Get conscripted

2. Go to Ukraine

3. Be cold and hungry all the time due to a lack of supplies further exacerbated by the sudden influx of troops

4. Don't get permanently disabled on your way to the frontline by a piss-drunk crewmate of yours

5. Keep your mouth shut if you see atrocities committed, because there will be some

6. Dare approaching the frontline with a rusted out old AK or a fuckin' Mosin rifle

7. Find a way to persuade the commander of your military detachment that you won't run at the first opportunity, or get shot at the first sign of looking to defect

8. Somehow manage to find your way to a squad of Ukrainians who aren't eager to tear you to shreds after all the crimes against humanity your "comrades" have committed to their families, friends, and fellow Ukrainians

9. Join other POWs in a camp where you'll likely be staying for months (which is how long Putin intends to go it), and pray that no Z-warriors are there to kill you in your sleep

10. Somehow get either a Ukrainian citizenship or smuggle your old Russian passport in (presuming that the latter still works), in order to be allowed into the EU legally

11. Find a way to contact your friends in Belgium

12. Continue west

13. Wind up in Belgium

14. Pray that your work permit is still valid

15. Start a new life free of Russia

Needless to say, I stand a higher chance of finding a way to get smuggled into the EU than getting there along the frontline.

goobster  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well... crap.

I guess it's good to have a backup plan...