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goobster  ·  600 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: August 3, 2022

These people are also all individual humans, trying to do their job.

Look at the Secret Service. The Secret Service stopped Trump from going to the Capitol. They knew what would happen if he showed up and the couple hundred security police were met with 10,000 rabid MAGAs.

On the other hand, they also knowingly deleted all of their communications from those days, because they knew they had also broken laws and protocols.

I can't fathom how hard it must be to be a Secret Service agent for Trump. You want someone to take the shot and off the guy, but then you are also a proud Secret Service Agent with a sworn duty. Sometimes your better angels win, and sometimes the devil takes the reins.

That's humanity. Self-preservation changes as the terrain changes. I suspect we are about to see a flood of information coming from the Secret Service about all the misdeeds and policy failures within the organization.

And still, to his death, Trump will have US American citizens as his Secret Service detail, being continually mistreated and abused by the Fuckwit In Chief.

Man ... to dedicate yourself to a life of service ... and then that service is assigned to the most selfish, worthless human being to ever sit on the throne... that has to hurt. Bad.





am_Unition  ·  600 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm still very unclear as to the actual extent of fascist/Trumpist sympathies in the Secret Service.

On the one hand, obviously you're selecting for top-tier professionalism and competence, but on the other, you're selecting within a group of people for whom authoritarianism tendencies are already self-selecting, right?

And, possibly, you're pitting the lower ranks against Trump-appointed administrators (linking bcuz the SnapChat shit is legit hilarious after the deleted texts saga).

Makes you wonder.

And I'm not someone who has ever even remotely thought "huh, yeah, I guess it's true that all cops are bastards!", because I've previously been indoctrinated by the jedi order, so I know that only a sith deals in absolutes.

    And still, to his death, Trump will have US American citizens as his Secret Service detail, being continually mistreated and abused by the Fuckwit In Chief.

Perfect sentence. I wish we could free his non-SS underlings, but I can't even seem to convince them that they're being abused, which is step 1.

kleinbl00  ·  599 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Occam's Razor suggests that there was a widespread case of "we can't do this because it's illegal, but we have to do this because it's the most expedient way to actually do our jobs." If I had to guess, a number of agents/units got conflicting orders from different parts of the org chart and someone with some authority decided that the cover-up was better than the crime. Especially if you can nuke text messages from people who did nothing wrong and followed the law entirely - if you delete your text messages you're guilty. If you delete your entire team's text messages... I mean we'll never know, will we?

    Perfect sentence. I wish we could free his non-SS underlings, but I can't even seem to convince them that they're being abused, which is step 1.

It was cute when it was Shirley Maclaine and Nicolas Cage. this would be a different movie.