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katakowsj  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Libertarian Dream Town

The hubris of libertarianism is comical. “ A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear should be required to be sold bundled with the FountianHead,and other Ayn Rand works. Would save many self-absorbed libertarians much of their mid to late twenties.

am_Unition  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Trust me, the libertarian rebuttal to this would be "The experiment failed because it wasn't libertarian enough", followed by some tortured analysis about how the surrounding societal structure polluted a noble attempt at establishing pure free market incentives.

For all too many, libertarianism is best understood as a religion. Objectivity is disregarded in an effort to arrive at the desired result, which is that only libertarianism can possibly be correct.

Does anyone around here think we should go full communist? I don't think so. I think we all recognize that there is some optimal interplay of business and government. It's also not like the government has the equivalent of the Koch bros. & co. actively putting out propaganda to reinforce communist talking points. Please, don't pretend like academia is communist. Academia largely favors a more democratic socialist arrangement than is currently existing in the US. Despite plenty of bullshit rhetoric otherwise, that's not communism.

My favorite Ben Shapiro video was when he shittalked empathy as a weakness and disadvantage in policymaking and debate. Please stay the fuck away from policymaking if you don't have (or at least can't exhibit) any empathy. Thanks.

b_b  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I work for a woman who once told me, "Something about the way you explain things just always clicks for me. I don't understand something when ten other people explain it, then you do one time and I get it." I told her it was cognitive empathy, the attempt to think like another person and then say it the way you think might resonate with that person. She replied, "Oh. I have no empathy." That was two years before I started working for her, and the only only times I regret taking the job are on days when she inadvertently reminds me how true her self-assessment was.

kleinbl00  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think veen turned me on to Yuval Hariri's Sapiens. In it, Hariri observes that neanderthals had bigger brains than we did and were better tool-makers. However, they lived in small family groups. Homo sapiens, on the other hand, were more social. Hariri then observes that when you have a family group, any technological innovations you develop are going to propagate by ones and twos as you pass your inventions along to your children. When you pass them along to your tribe, however, factorial math gets you orders of magnitude more innovation. Ravens may well be more clever than crows, but crows are everywhere - crows look out for each other.

Jon Ronson, Dan Ariely and David Graeber have all pointed out that sociopathy is a maladaptation that results in shunning and ejection from the gene pool... unless it happens in the upper class. A sociopath of good breeding and social status makes an exceptional ruler because there's no empathy to get in the way. Well-mannered women rarely make history, and most of the rulers we learn about are noteworthy for their callousness.

The basic premise of libertarianism is that people should be allowed to choose who they share their beneficence and bounty with, and that any social contract that requires them to support the lesser beings around them is unfair and leads to a collapse of society. Absent from this viewpoint is the reality that human society has always been a buttress against selfish behavior. That is its fundamental purpose. There is no libertarian justification for the development of language. There is no libertarian justification for the development of commerce. "The commons" is a concept dependent on empathy and collective membership and without a commons there is no society.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, post-war civilization abstracts the commons such that a wilful misinterpretation of society allows one to pretend it doesn't exist. Worse, the Internet is easier to code if you disregard it. "Survival of the fittest" definitely maps to social media. We've done a yeoman's job of making our modern society a safe place for sociopaths.

Somewhere between 0.2% and 3.3% of Americans have Antisocial Personality Disorder. That's an order of magnitude fewer than the libertarians claimed by the Cato Institute. At the same time, the Cato Institute defines a libertarian as someone who is "conservative on economics, liberal on social issues" which, I mean, that's Mitt Romney.

There's an element of "libertarianism" that is, in fact, "why do I have to pay for it, you do what you want." But those people vote, maybe slap a bumper sticker on their car. Libertarianism has been the refuge of the edgelord since the Tsar fell. The problem is they celebrate taking over towns and defunding the police 'cuz, you know, there isn't any visible evidence that our social structures actually do something, I guess.

Every die-hard libertarian I've ever known has been a generous, friendly, gregarious individual. They just aren't sold on the social safety net. And thanks to the success of the social safety net they rarely have their believes challenged.

kleinbl00  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  

mk - if you accidentally post a mobile.twitter.com link and then get rid of the mobile it blows up your post. Changes the order, deletes half of it, etc.

kleinbl00  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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