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kleinbl00  ·  96 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 409th Weekly "Share Some Music You've Been Into Lately"

    I don't understand how Behringer is able to get a sound anywhere close to Moog or whoever for the amount of money they're not taking in.

They don't. They sound like thin piss. Everything Behringer has ever made leaves your mix sounding like you spilled vinegar in it.

    You're a logistics guy, is it something to do with inventory, process, etc.

Pure process. Take someone else's design, reverse engineer it, get the cheapest factory in China to rip it off, wait to get sued, settle out of court, rinse and repeat. There was a time when you weren't considered a proper audio company until you'd sued Behringer.

A little background:

This is a Mackie 8Bus. It legitimately made your entire computer garage band world possible. Prior to the Mackie 8Bus if you wanted to mix something, you mixed at a studio on some piece of shit like a TAC Scorpion which cost $28k and sounded abominable. You could buy a fuckin' 8Bus for $5k and it sounded... okay. It didn't sound like an SSL but it sounded better than a frickin' TAC Matchless or an Allen & Heath Sabre or any wretched ancient monster like that all of which cost between $30k and $40k. Mackie made some real coin with them. Sam Ash sold a lot of them.

So Sam Ash paid Behringer to rip it off.

And I don't mean "copied it." I mean they literally took a Mackie 8Bus, took the knobs off, wiped it down with MEK to get the silkscreening off it, RE-SCREENED IT TO SAY BEHRINGER, and showed it off at NAMM '97. They couldn't get their version done in time for the show, see, so they fucking painted up a Mackie to look like a Behringer and claimed it as their own.

And then when they settled out of court for enough for Mackie to be satisfied, they opened their US headquarters less than a quarter mile up the road from Mackie.

I know y'all think that I'm funny with my abject hatred of Behringer but they are truly the shittiest company in audio. They are deceitful, they are dishonest, they make impossibly shitty product and when you buy their shit you get what you deserve.

They're still at it.

Behringer is fucking bullshit and it all sounds like ass. Not only that but when you buy Behringer (or Samson, or anything from Sam Ash) you are actively accelerating the destruction of the music industry.

am_Unition  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"That's right, if you appear to defeat Behringer in a debate on gearslutz.com, you may either receive a gag order or a lawsuit in excess of $250k for pointing something out that nobody with f*cking eyeballs would disagree with."


kleinbl00  ·  72 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fuck that guy, too. "I own a Behringer cable tester because I herp derp never realized that anyone else made them herp derp" says the guy holding a Behringer rip-off of a weird DSI piece nobody uses because everyone uses ProCo or Hosa and has since the dawn of fucking time and the reason Behringer ripped off DSI rather than ProCo or HOsa is because ProCo and Hosa had both already sued Behringer and won so if they did it again they'd be in deep shit. You own a Behringer because you're a cheap fuck who gives no shits about who makes your gear who is only famous for dumping your shitty unlistenable album for free on What.cd.

5:03 - "I just wish that Dave Smith and Uli Behringer would just have an MMA match for charity and be done with this whole thing."

Which Dave Smith? This Dave Smith? The guy who created the Prophet 5, invented fucking MIDI, headed the R&D departments that created the DX7, Prophet VS, Korg Wavestation, Creative Labs Soundblaster, and THEN founded Dave Smith Instruments? That guy? You're gonna bothsides THAT GUY?

am_Unition  ·  68 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get the feeling that Alesis isn't much better.? :(

My mainstays are an AKAI controller, M-Audio external soundcard(s), ART tube amps, no guitar worth more than $250, and a Roland electronic drum set from at least a decade ago.

Still haven't built amps for these Klipsch speakers, though the day will probably come within 6 months. Supposedly. One of my other techhead bandmates will help advise.

Edit: I also have a Fender Mustang 1 POS amp. If anything I play sounds OK on that thing, I know I'm in good shape.

kleinbl00  ·  68 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Alesis is fine. They set out to make cheap, quality gear. ADATs weren't great but for the money they were fucking phenomenal. I owned 3 of them. MidiFEX, Quadraverb 2, Midiverb IV, SR-16, trying to think of what else Alesis I've owned. They had a big dumb mixing console that nobody with any sense bought but I mean... the SR-16 was introduced in 1992. I know kids with kids who weren't introduced in 1992. What killed Alesis was the A6 Andromeda, a big dumb analog synth that sounds like shit and was introduced in an era when Native Instruments was already selling Reaktor, Absynth and Massive. I was having this discussion with goobster and using the Andromeda as an object lesson when I discover that they're going for thousands of fucking dollars which says a lot about the neofetishism driving keyboard purchases these days. Fuckin' $550 for a CZ101.

Buy an amp. They're cheap. There's like a page and a half of Crowns on eBay for less than $100.

am_Unition  ·  68 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Buy an amp.

Yeah I was looking at the Line6 Helix the other day thanks to this video, but I'll have to settle for something used or somehow less expensive. I'll check out Crown amps, thanks. :)

am_Unition  ·  91 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hey wait, I don't think your hatred of Behringer is funny. Didn't know you felt like that until I read this content. Pretty damning shit.

I might see a Prophet synth or whatever on Craigslist, but there's no impetus to buy anything for another six months or so (music is now overruled by thesis stuff). I'll do more homework on synths in the meantime. Thanks.

There does exist at least one strike against me. Got mine in... 2008-ish? Long time ago.