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mk  ·  1219 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: And Now we Know his Name

    I also think it's fatuously obtuse to observe that the right has a "solution" when they're literally deporting US citizens, throwing kids in cages and withdrawing from every international cooperative and regulatory agreement of the past 40 years.

That's their solution: nationalism and authoritarianism. To me, it's an abomination, but it provides comfort to many.

    The Left lost the South to racism in 1966. For anyone under 30, that was two generations ago. Where, exactly, is this hope supposed to come from?

Our hearts and a shared desire for justice and prosperity for all?





kleinbl00  ·  1218 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Can you honestly say the nationalism and authoritarianism of the right is being presented as a solution, though? Their solution-space is basically "tax breaks for the rich" and "owning the libs." We're talking "creation and hope" here - the border wall was always far more of a totem than a solution and the only other thing the Trump administration created was Space Force. Which is literally AFSOC. Hope? Has the right offered anything resembling hope? More than that, what comfort is it providing, exactly? Do these guys look comfortable?

A fundamental part of building up is stopping others from tearing down. That's been impossible for the past four years. This is not a failing of the left.

mk  ·  1218 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think MAGA is exactly that, a nationalistic, authoritarian solution. It’s hope for poor white folk that are cool with scapegoating.

I don’t blame the left for where we are. But march into the apocalypse sounds awful. End stage capitalism is an opportunity to shape what comes next. The left could be excited about a vision for the future. Make America Better Than Ever. It’s a jump ball atm IMO.

kleinbl00  ·  1218 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We're arguing over the definition of "solution." You haven't made a compelling argument that MAGA offers one. They offer something - on that we can agree. But I don't think even the most hard-core MAGAt would describe their cosmology as a "solution."

    End stage capitalism is an opportunity to shape what comes next.

Not while the collapse is still ongoing. You cannot build a foundation on shifting sands. The trick is to know when the ground will hold and I don't think anyone of any credibility would say the dust is settling yet.