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ButterflyEffect  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Bernie Sanders drops out of 2020 race

On the bright side...we live in WA state...which in general, seems to be doing pretty well for itself in safeguarding and isolation from Federal bullshit?



uhsguy  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think Bernie lost because he had no will to fight. Biden was just able to hide in the cover of the establishment media and party machinery and Bernie wasn’t willing to flush him out if his hole and expose him. That being said I think trump will have no problem running campaign ads stating that he was fighting covid while Biden was hiding from everyone. It’s going to be a very effective message imo

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mk  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Bernie lost because young people didn't come out and vote for him this time around. Nor did as many other people. I think his mandatory public healthcare scared the shit out of a lot of people. At least that's the consensus among Dems I know that voted for Biden.

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b_b  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Bernie lost because he's a grumpy do-nothing who is hated by his own colleagues and who says nice things about Castro. This isn't a mystery about voter turnout, just like it wasn't last time.

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uhsguy  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Even if that’s all true everyone else was worse. They accomplished even less and were even more out of touch.

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b_b  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    accomplished even less

Please elaborate

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uhsguy  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Were there any other candidates that stood out as big accomplishers in the field? Maybe Bloomberg but he was super hatable everyone was meh or so vanilla you couldn’t put them on any side of any issue.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I absolutely agree with you on that. My plea to you and OftenBen (who will almost definitely respond with snark) and others is to think of the Supreme Court. Screw Biden, screw the DNC, this is about the Supreme Court. Trump winning later this year has all sorts of issues written on it, but giving him another Justice is maybe the biggest.

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mk  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Unfortunately, the Dems and the GOP and their propaganda arms parading as 'news' have convinced us that politics is a war of ideals, not a question of good governance. Bernie wins the ideological battle every time. He's a great candidate if you want to win ideological warfare.

However, I predict that Bernie would have been a poor President because good legislation cannot pass ideological purity because it is by nature a product of compromise.

I'm tired of this leadership stuff. The president is a public servant that commands our troops, appoints justices, and signs legislation.

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johnnyFive  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    However, I predict that Bernie would have been a poor President because good legislation cannot pass ideological purity because it is by nature a product of compromise.

I don't think this is true. He was able to get stuff done in the Senate, and despite his strong ideological standing I haven't seen any evidence he couldn't work with members of both parties. The other thing is that he wasn't as blindly idealistic as he was painted to be: I remember him saying in an interview once that, since you'll always get less than you ask for, you're better off asking for the moon.

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uhsguy  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I hate that argument, it’s how we got Gore, Hillary and now Biden. Every time the Democratic establishment tells me I have to vote of their candidates because think about the Supreme Court and abortion. They tell the black man next door that he has no choice he can either vote for a party that does nothing for him or he can vote for Jim Crow. I’m tired of voting against a candidate, and frankly I don’t have to because wa will vote blue And eat that shit up just fine without me.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It’s an argument I wouldn’t have made a week ago, but now we have what we have and quite frankly I like that WA state has options for contraceptives, abortion, and alllll sorts of other things that could be in jeopardy with further erosion of the Supreme Court. Does Hubski support emojis because here’s one: 🤷🏻‍♂️

If y’all want to spite yourselves, help yourself to it!

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uhsguy  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In my ideal world Biden wins by 1 vote, looses the majority and wins by 1 delegate. Just saying

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OftenBen  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As I said, beaten enough that I have fallen in line.

Biden won't get one red cent from me. He can go ask a megadonor for another billion.

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kleinbl00  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm putting my money into local efforts, and by local, I mean "local to assholes that need to get voted out." Folx like Amy McGrath.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh my god. just looking at her scream "KAREN"

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kleinbl00  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

Who fucking cares? She's a democratic ex-fighter pilot running against Mitch McConnell.

Maybe dial the purity test back a bit.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That was coming from a place of amusement, not disdain, which is a really hard distinction to make over a comment.

L o l at oftenben badging a comment about purity dials, that’s the most hypocritical thing I’ve seen here in a while.

Maybe it’s just me but Hubski doesn’t seem as nice and friendly lately and I’m part of that problem.

I’ll see you all in the future. Stay safe until then.

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kleinbl00  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, c'mon, man. Everyone's jumpy AF right now. The solution is to give everyone a little more leeway.

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ArtemusBlank  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think it all depends on how the fight against covid turns out. If the economy flounders and covid takes out a lot of people that may give Biden more of a chance. I mean will people really want a guy that led the economy down the crapper and had a poor response to be a pandemic? Things could have been somewhat better here.

How big of chance though will Biden have? Time will tell. Who knows what the covid situation next week will be like?

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uhsguy  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Idk man most Americans in the flyover states will probably pick the R for the same reason democrats pick D. Abortion and Supreme Court so that really only leave who is more willing to show up vote and Republicans are good at suppression

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ArtemusBlank  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It isn't really about the states that always go blue or the states that always go red. Those states are going their color regardless of the candidates. It's the swing states where Trump beat Clinton only by about 100,000 people where everything will play out. Who knows though what will happen though?

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mk  ·  531 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Trump won by 10,000 in MI. That is 0.2% of votes cast. Biden will handily beat him in MI this time around, especially if he picks Whitmer as his VP.

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ArtemusBlank  ·  533 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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