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OftenBen  ·  1689 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pension Funds Are Going To Be Destroyed In The Next Recession

What's a pension? Is that like a leprechaun?





kleinbl00  ·  1689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They're that thing that consumes roughly 50% of any given education budget (illinois shown)

and a substantial percentage of state budgets.

user-inactivated  ·  1689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Given how poorly teachers are paid in America I'd say it's worth it.

In Canada though? My vice principal made one fiddy to march around with a walkie-talkie and read swear words to my mom.

kleinbl00  ·  1688 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"worth it" doesn't even figure into it - that's money someone was promised. Millions of someones. "work this job for shit pay and at least you won't have to eat cat food in your golden years." If you "work to curb entitlements", though, you're a fiscally prudent legislator. If you "renege on promises" you're a horrible human being.

It's already happening in my kid's school district. Money ain't there, so who you gonna starve? The pensions? Naah because that involves bankruptcy can't do that. The bondholders? naaah default on a bond and you'll never be able to borrow again. The current teachers? Yep boy howdy. Fire a bunch of 'em, freeze the pay of others, kick the arts programs in the head and we can afford to keep paying the people whose pensions were promised them in '75 when interest rates were fucking NINE PERCENT.

OftenBen  ·  1689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Never heard of it.

user-inactivated  ·  1689 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My father is a 65+ old white man and saw one of those once....

kleinbl00  ·  1688 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fuck dude, I got a pension. Rub me for luck.

Thing is, the PBGC has $423m a year to cover the 19 trillion in outstanding pensions. CalPERS alone is a $300b pension fund that, to cover its obligations, needs to be $440b.

So. State of California government employees only. Only discussion here. Current gap is 330 times what the PBGC can cover. And the gap is getting bigger. So the odds that anyone under 50 ever sees their pension.... not good.