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veen  ·  1701 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: August 28, 2019

I think about climate change a lot, and most of my job is working on concrete solutions to tackle climate change at a governmental level. The good news is that there is a very large and increasing group of people making more and more systemic changes towards sustainability. Things are different from ten, twenty years ago. Ideas that were fringe/sci-fi are now mainstream.

My worry is not whether we can curb it, because I think we can, but that the exponential growth in sustainable solutions hasn't picked up fast enough to prevent a lot of harm and suffering.





ilex  ·  1701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm glad things are looking better than they used to!

Do you think exponential growth will happen in sustainability, or is the idea of exponential sustainable growth self-contradictory?

veen  ·  1701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

One of the more important origins of the sustainability movement as we know it now was the 1972's Club of Rome report 'The Limits to Growth'. I am pretty sure that Le Guin was inspired by that, considering the publications are only two years apart.

There are some people who still hold on to the idea of infinite, exponential growth, but I am definitely not one of them. For me, reading Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything was an eye opener in just how tightly related capitalism and climate change are.

kleinbl00  ·  1701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What's funny is how many people made fun of Limits To Growth and how wrong World3 was when in fact, when you look at the numbers, they fucking nailed it.

veen  ·  1701 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh damn that's pretty cool, hadn't seen that comparison before. Now I kinda want a poster of that World3 diagram, it looks dope.

ilex  ·  1700 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm going to look both of those up. I've been sour on exponential growth (and capitalism) for a bit now -- feels like it's mostly promoted by people trying to make a quick buck rather than people trying to do good.

veen  ·  1697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not sure if I'd still recommend Naomi Klein. Her tone of outrage gets tedious fast, and it's a longass book. Wells has a better grasp of current science, but does not really give many pointers towards solutions.