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ooli  ·  1851 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Rammstein - Deutschland (Official Video)

Some right wing are fan. The group had to make it clear they were on the Left / "democrat" in the song "Links 1,2,3" (means Left)

Are the video and song controversial. Of Course. Heavy metal use provocative imagery.. and speaking german doesnt help their case

But the theme is always about being beaten up (here, or in Sonne) or being a fat looser (Keine Lust) being leashed like dog leaded by a woman, being, slave in a mine for a giant girl, being a self hurting love lusted priest.. etc..

What I try to convey, is that, they are far away from the self aggrandizing dominating male figure the right wing love and portray.

When I was 20, a guy (guitar player guy, who worked in the music industry, So I made the mistake to trust his judgement) made the same assumption as you . He told me Rammstein was a right wing band. So I never listened to it.

It toke me 20 year to discover the band and realize how creative and original, and good they were. I Feel like, I could have enjoyed them for many more years before, without that uneducated assumption

But I guess you dont speak german, so yeah, it must sound bad for you. Real bad.



kleinbl00  ·  1851 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have personally known and personally interacted with too many Industrial bands for whom the wink-wink nudge-nudge celebration of Riefenstahl imagery is passed off as parody while being, at a minimum, something everyone is cool with. This includes Michael Moynihan, who swore up down left and right that some of his best friends were Jewish, he had no idea what the JADL was talking about.

Rammstein appeared on the American Industrial scene not as a touring band supporting someone bigger, not as an organic discovery on some known label, but as mentioned by American servicemen abroad who liked that there was a "kick-ass" band named after their Air Force Base who were looking for other similar music. What followed was a mini-eruption of on-stage Triumph of the Will screenings in the name of parody, the swastikas and Hitler carefully cut around (usually), often by bands in tight gray outfits straight out of Hugo Boss' 1939 menswear collection.

I cannot say that the whole of the NDH movement is racist. I can say that the NDH movement is comfortable utilizing Nazi and racist imagery well past the point where they've been called out for it, well past the point where they're aware of an entire audience appreciative of the imagery, and well past the point where they're making people who own Throbbing Gristle albums uncomfortable. And I say that as someone who mixed live Industrial music about 40 hours a week for about five years.

So. Do please continue with the sarcasm.

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