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kleinbl00  ·  409 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Windows 7: One Year to Go

I've been dealing with Win10 for three or four years now, having not dealt with any Win since XPSP3, and I honestly don't see what you guys are constantly freaking out about.

user-inactivated  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To be fair, you are not managing a network of 950PCs, 100 servers. Many businesses are running older software, EHR's for example, that break every time MS decides that the new .NET update is going to be installed whether you want it to or not.

Windows 10 is a fantastic OS for the end user. The security and taking the updates out of the hand of ma and pa Boomer is stopping spam and virus propagation. With Chrome and ad blockers, the likelihood of getting a PC infected, even by a total moron, are slim. The problem is that I spend a shit ton of money to license an operating system that is now more an advertising platform than what I need it to be.

kleinbl00  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, but I lived in that world back when Digital Signage Networks were a thing. At the time the idea was to keep running XPSP3 until the bitter fucking end because Vista was utterly inappropriate for what we needed it to do and nobody had any better ideas. In the end the entire thing was mooted by mobile phones and the whole craptacular spectacle went tits up before Win7 was released.

And maybe if they'd tried being a bit more essential they might have not had to walk into sales meetings with obsolete tech.

'cuz here's the thing: Win7 came out ten years ago. Win8 came out six years ago. So for six fucking years every Win7 sad sack has known that shit was coming to an end and the only real question was how far to drag out the inevitable.

I recognize that there are advantages to not running bleeding edge but there comes a time when you're dealing with lagging-edge detritus. If it works in Win7 but not Win10 you're going to need a new solution anyway because the tech that underlies Win7 is gonna die.

spencerflem  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

With win10, it really feels like the goal is not to make a usable os. Little things, like bing in the start menu, make me feel unwanted and like a product. Win7 works fine

kleinbl00  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...see, and that's where Windows has always been for me.

spencerflem  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's fair, but imo windows 10 goes a lot farther. To get win10 to be as usuable as 7 you have to: disable ads in multiple places, uninstall Candy Crush that they preinstalled, make regedits to disable bing search in the menu, turn off Cortana (might also need regedits now I can't remember), and mess with notification settings, just to get an OS that isn't spamming you with ads.

It might not be a good practice, but I appreciate that in Win 7 you can choose not to update. In win10 if Microsoft thinks you need their creators update that undoes all your configuration settings, you _will_ get the update. It doesn't feel like I own the OS as much as Microsoft generously allowing me to use it for the time being.

One day I'll finally switch to Linux

kleinbl00  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  


- Decrap

- turn off with Cortana

- turn off Notifications

I haven't found anything much worse than Vista on the five PCs I've had to deal with.

user-inactivated  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fun thing. Turning off Cortana broke Sharepoint before MS bent to people. I know people that work in secure areas that cannot run Win10 due to the possibility of a mic being turned on by software, even accidentally. Some of those people are now moving to Linux.

Decrap will also fuck with GPO stuff we run. I wish I could use it at work.

spencerflem  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Honestly, yeah. I did that with my laptop and it's a perfectly fine time now. I'm more offended that those things are on by default and that you have to undo half of the changes they make every update. It doesn't take a long time, and you can end up with things OK pretty easily, but it makes me feel slimy having to make those changes at all.

kleinbl00  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I musta missed a hell of an OS with Win7 but when I've touched it I haven't felt that way. To me, "regedit hax and uninstalling half the computer" has always been SOP for Windows.

Granted, I use none of the stock OSX stuff either; I'd use Linux if I could get the programs I need to run on it. But as it is, nearly everything runs on Windows, what's left runs on OS X, and if it runs on Linux it's probably open-source freeware that works just well enough for people to pretend it's viable.

user-inactivated  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I musta missed a hell of an OS with Win7 but when I've touched it I haven't felt that way.

Pure nostalgia glasses. We went from WinXp (shit) to WinXP Service Pack 2 (FANTASTIC OS!) then to Vista (SHIT) where they tried to change everything all at once and fucked up networking, sharing, filesystems and USB plug and pray. Windows 7 came out and they took a step back and fixed a ton of shit, held the bloat down and compared to Vista it looked as if the pure embodiment of light that was Steve Ballmer touched you and blessed you. Hell I had Win7 running on original Pentiums it was that slick; no way Vista was going to pull that one off. Win7 also went easy on admins and people running big networks, fixed a shit ton of security stuff and thankfully killed Vista once and for all.

Windows 7 was great and did good things. But the fuckup that was Vista is what people remember more than the stuff that Win7 fixed. If you ever used Millenium Edition, then went to XP, same thing. Me sucked. XP on release was not much better, but it was not ME so people liked it and put up with it.

I pay extra for Pro and Enterprise editions of Windows. I should not have to fight my software every fucking update cycle. Those of us here in this thread? We are not the normal people using this stuff; we need our computers to do actual work and be productive. The people I work with? Some days I wonder how they can operate a car or turn on a TV much less navigate a computer. Most people, the extreme majority don't give a shit about Windows, Apple, Linux. They want to punch a clock, do whatever it is they do to grind for a paycheck then go home and watch netflix and do facebook. How many people build their own machines? 1% of the user base? Maybe up to 5%? We are a rounding error, at best on a good day.

And since Silicon Valley is out of any and all ideas that do not involve throwing ads and "play stores" in your face to maximize stock value, we get an ad platform that also works as an OS.

kleinbl00  ·  408 days ago  ·  link  ·  

XPSP2 was utter and total dogshit. XPSP3 was utter and total dogshit that broke interoperability with half a dozen different networking protocols. Really, it's been all downhill since NT4.

bfv  ·  409 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're supporting like 10 users at the birth center. You could put them on TempleOS and not drive yourself too crazy.

kleinbl00  ·  409 days ago  ·  link  ·  

LOL I'm supporting two EHRs