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johnnyFive  ·  200 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Bugged At Work: How Secret Recordings Are Changing The Workplace

Agreed on the work front - this has been the case for some time, and the law supports it.

I'm also not sure I agree with this part:

    Taylor says he has seen cases where peers and colleagues are recording one another.

    "That cannot be deemed a healthy culture — it just can't be, by anyone's standard," he says.

    It's hard to cultivate trust, he says, when every word you say might later be used against you.

Unsurprising for someone whose interests are on the employer's side. But I would say it's the opposite: people are tired of those in power being taken at their word when they don't deserve to be, and this is the inevitable result. You can't have it both ways, and openness is definitely not a one-way street, as much as employers would like it to be.

I'm far from a fan from the "if you're innocent you have nothing to hide" argument, but in a social context the lines aren't in the same place IMO. I don't necessarily think someone deserves national shaming because they had a bad day and were mean to someone, but by the same token I'm generally in favor of anything makes someone in a position of authority (police included) tread more carefully. Perhaps the answer to "who watches the watchers" should be "everybody."

francopoli  ·  200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm far from a fan from the "if you're innocent you have nothing to hide" argument

Ah, yes. The "I have no idea what I am talking about" babble. Humans need private down time. This is why we have curtains on our windows and close the bathroom doors. I've had a conversation where this phrase come up and now have the perfect retort. Demand that the person unlock their phone and hand it to me. I love the face they make.

    Perhaps the answer to "who watches the watchers" should be "everybody."

Probably correct here. But it reminds me of how people describe living in Poland and Romania under Communism and then I am not sure how to process that.

WanderingEng  ·  200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's pretty normal here for people to follow up conversations with emails to document agreements. Of person A needs something from person B, either person B emails "as we discussed I will..." or person A emails "as we discussed you will..." That way both have an email to reference, and if there's any misunderstanding the other person can reply to clarify.

francopoli  ·  200 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cover your ass 101. Followed by a master class in 'Document Everything' and 'Telling people to go to hell with them looking forward to the trip.'

In IT every verbal conversation involving anything related to the business gets a follow up email. I've been burned too many times to give a shit any more.