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johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Shit like this makes me glad I'm not famous

I haven't seen anything by anyone else. But regardless, this is still an incredibly dangerous way to approach things.

How long before some guy's already-abusive partner turns around and accuses him of something terrible? How many people have to lose their livelihoods based on false or exaggerated allegations before we remember, hey, things like burdens of proof exist for a reason?

I mean, do we not remember when reddit fingered a family's dead kid as the Boston Marathon bomber?




Quatrarius  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

why can't you people spend your time crusading about people thrown into jail for spurious drug charges or black guys getting framed for murders and rapes they had nothing to do with

do you only care when it's something you can relate to?

EDIT: i shouldn't assume that you can't relate to things other than rapists - generally, the point is that i question the way you assign your time being bothered on the internet specifically

maybe you volunteer a lot, i don't know

johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, fuck off with this.

Fortunately for me, I have not yet met my annual empathy quota, and therefore can care about more than one thing at the same time. Meanwhile, are you seriously arguing that I'm not doing enough about more important problems because I'm not complaining about them in a small corner of the internet?

tacocat  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

https://twitter.com/demimf99/status/1007571638416740352?s=21

You can't just handwave your ignorance of details of this away and pretend you're worried about a future false accusation. These women, even in the current climate, are aware that coming forward is going to result in harassment and death threats. Who's going to go through that knowingly out of spite?

johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't handwaive anything. My point is not to argue that the accusations are true or false. My point is that it is terrifying that all it takes is vague accusations + a mob assumption to permanently brand someone as a rapist.

Whether a given instance turns out to be accurate isn't the point. The problem is that we've gone from "not believing women" to "always believing women no matter what," which is the wrong reaction. If the standard is only "some of these accusations are true," or even "most of these accusations are true," how is this different from say, racial profiling by the police?

tacocat  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm pretty done. There are so many problems with so many things you've said and I don't give a shit enough to point by point address them. Same reason I usually ignore people with your opinion on Twitter. I'd tag out with _refugee_ but I think she's content to ignore you as well

johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not really sure why you felt the need to tell me this.

Congrats?

tacocat  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So you might shut up

johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So at first I was thinking that you don't care what I say, but of course if that were true, we wouldn't keep having these conversations where you vacillate between engagement and "you're too wrong to engage with."

I don't know you well enough to go any further, and that's fine, and you certainly don't owe me any explanations.

But if I'm even remotely correct, and what I say matters to you even the tiniest fraction, I'll say that I'm always willing to listen to what you have to say.

tacocat  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

👍🏻

user-inactivated  ·  96 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The quality and content of this singular comment have swayed my opinion. Well done.

tacocat  ·  96 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cool

tacocat  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your attitude is why it took women so long to come forward

johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's crap. Women didn't come forward because their accusations weren't taken seriously. But that is not the same thing as "treating the men they accuse as guilty as soon as the accusation is made," or in this case, "treating the man people assume the accusation is about as guilty from the start."

The inevitable result of this mindset is simply a race to accuse first.

Let me turn it over now to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who had this to say on the subject:

    Q: I think people are hungry for your thoughts about how to balance the values of due process against the need for increased gender equality.

    RBG: It's not one or the other. It's both. We have a system of justice where people who are accused get due process, so it's just applying to this field what we have applied generally.

(Emphasis mine.)

tacocat  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This isn't a criminal trial dawg.

johnnyFive  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Criminal trials have actual rules, and require actual proof, not just accusations. We started using them for a reason! Are you seriously arguing that this was a mistake? And if not, why does it suddenly not apply when women accuse men of sexual misconduct in a public setting?

OftenBen  ·  97 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This isn't a criminal trial dawg.

It will likely become one, one way or another.

tacocat  ·  96 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No it won't.

OftenBen  ·  96 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The title IX case that J5 linked to? It most certainly will.*