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kleinbl00  ·  419 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Does Conscientious Objection have a place in Medicine?

No. Obviously no. The Hippocratic Oath is 2500 years old and the example held is "I choose to refuse you care because of actions you have taken outside of our bonds of healthcare."

Show me the law that allows Kiwis to do this because fucking hell I'm mad now.

Foveaux  ·  419 days ago  ·  link  ·

It's a part of it, I'll try and find a more all-encompassing link!


And an article around the nurses refusing to perform abortions

Although I am trying to find the links on the nurses refusing to work with post-abortion patients. It was the first case in the Seminar and the professor provided some articles, will try and find those.

And here -

From what I gathered from the seminar, people will utilize the Conscientious Objection law and apply it to the Bill of Rights, particularly section 13.

Will keep hunting for you.

kleinbl00  ·  419 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did see that - what I found suggests that it's about not requiring OBGYNs and nurses to perform abortions. That's a long walk from not requiring OBGYNs or nurses to treat patients who have had abortions.

Foveaux  ·  419 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah it is a stretch, I will hunt it out - it was in Wellington, and is currently still happening according to the speaker. It's actually what made me question the idea of it in the first place, I can see performing abortions being difficult for some, but a nurse not providing care after the fact shouldn't be an option.

If I can't find anything I'll edit the text post - the question remains the same but that example can't be used if it doesn't exist - apologies if I've misled everyone!

kleinbl00  ·  419 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It gets sticky exactly where you say: you're in a rural town, you're constitutionally eligible to have a medical procedure, and there's a law on the books permitting trained medical professionals to refuse you that procedure. This is happening to abortion clinics across the rural South of the USA; make the act of running an abortion clinic onerous and abortions become de facto illegal in that state because you cant get one. It also doesn't get covered by the Hippocratic Oath: primum non nocere doesn't say "first, perform elective procedures."

But that whole "I don't like your politics, I'm not going to give you medical care" is quite clearly on the other side of a very clear black line.