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blackbootz  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The 'burbs are dying

I (26 year old male) can't imagine having two or three kids anytime soon, and I'm one of the ones with half a shot at providing for them. None of my mid-twenties friends have any plans to, either. I just don't see how one would want to amidst such economic uncertainty.





PTR  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Same. My parents had a total of $5,000 saved when I was 15. They made less than $30k every year since. My thinking is that I'll likely have to financially support them right around the time people usually have children, all while somehow avoiding their very grim retirement situation for myself and my wife.

These types of thoughts do not lend themselves to baby-makin' or buying up homes in the 'burbs.

blackbootz  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    These types of thoughts do not lend themselves to baby-makin'

What, long hours of work with no assurances don't turn you on? Robot.

b_b  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I took me until age 31 to stop insisting that I wasn't getting married. Then I got married in like 9 months. It took me until age 34 to stop insisting that I wasn't having a kid. At age 35, I'm now insisting that I'm definitely never ever in a million goddam years, so help me God, under any circumstances having a second kid. I'm for serious this time.

blackbootz  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude, keep going. Despite my talk of how infeasible kids are right now, if the ducks were squared away (lol mixed metaphor but I'm keeping it), I'd be going for it. At least two. Maybe three? Four? I'm reading Bryan Caplan's Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids and it's eye-opening. Parents have been increasingly overestimating the cons of actually raising kids (notwithstanding the financial security required, a condition which Dr. Tenured Professor assumes you've satisfied). Kids are incredibly resilient and will grow up to be as happy and healthy as their genes allow, so long as the home environment isn't actively harmful and deficient.

b_b  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Little fucker cries All. The. Time. One thing I'm discovering about myself is that I'm not all that patient. I believed I was until recently, but observing the differential ways in which I and my wife react to ceaseless crying, it's become clear to me that I'm not very good at this. Maybe I'll forget how difficult it's been in a year or two, but I doubt it. I love him and will be the best parent I can be, but voluntarily subjecting myself to this shit twice? Not sure about that. All that said, it'd be nice to have a daughter, too.

cgod  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Mine is seven. It's never gotten significantly easier but it has gotten more interesting.

I don't think my kid is typical, she isn't easy but I know people who have it much worse.

blackbootz  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Apparently I was a wonderfully quiet baby, slept and napped regularly. My younger sister was the nonstop screamer. I guess those sorts of things skip? Or maybe, like moving furniture between houses, our brains cleverly and mercifully forget the ordeal so as to induce us to do it again.

kleinbl00  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    our brains cleverly and mercifully forget the ordeal so as to induce us to do it again.

As a midwife's husband, lemme tell ya a thing or two about labor...

kleinbl00  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We timed it perfectly, did everything right, qualified for the double-black secret health insurance and got paid paternity leave in the only state offering it and between the time my wife stopped being able to take clients and the time she could take clients again the business savings went from $90k to $20k.

I was 38.

WanderingEng  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A coworker is expecting his second. I think he said his daycare will be over $2000/month. It might have been over $2500.

blackbootz  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Granted it's New York, but an ex made $50k a year providing daycare to a family with three kids ages 1-4.

kleinbl00  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We were at $1k/kid in LA and that was bargain basement rates.

ButterflyEffect  ·  2220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm on the same boat as you. Some of my friends are starting to have kids, but the vast, vast majority in their mid to late 20s are not. Myself included.