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comment by ideasware

Yes, that's it, of course. LinkedIn (peter marshall irvine) is the other one that's pretty explanatory. BTW facebook is one also -- facebook. com /memememobile?v=feed. Friend me, with hubski as your message.

Listen, so far there are three people, including Isherwood who at least tried to listen. I know eventually he'll come around -- it takes lot's of time, don't worry, even though right now you're unconvinced. But how about a few more speakers, even nay-sayers, so I can get an idea whether this is a very small operation, or there's lots of listeners just taking notes. I want to listen, not just talk -- this is supposed to be a dialogue.





Isherwood  ·  2417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Goddamn you're patronizing.

ideasware  ·  2417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ok, I'm really trying to understand... What in the last message was patronizing? I really want to know, I'm not pretending.

Isherwood  ·  2416 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Patronize - treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.

Example -

    I know eventually he'll come around -- it takes lot's of time, don't worry

Let's step away from Artificial Intelligence and shift to Emotional Intelligence and something called Transactional Analysis. Your old enough to have heard of it, but I'm going to explain to make sure we're on the same page.

When two people enter a conversation they have the option of taking one of three ego states - Parent, Child, and Adult. Parent is a caricature of the parental figures from your life. Child is a caricature of the role you played in your childhood. Adult is a rational representation of your true self.

When you create a thread like

    I don't think your truly grok the problem
you are taking what is perceived as a parent stance by many - you have information that no one else here could possibly have and you're going to impart wisdom. You are also implying that we should all take a child stance and readily ingest whatever it is you decide to feed us.

The problem is that you are new to this community and you don't know the dynamics at play here. Most of us enjoy adult to adult conversations, especially when the conversation is around predictions of the future or sciences. We have certain demands of people making big claims. In the thread mentioned I have tried to guide you to fulfilling these demands, but again and again your replies have the exact same problems:

1. You present no verifiable points

2. You present no cohesive argument

3. You provide no facts or references

4. You repeat the same vagaries over and over

5. You present a lack of agreement as a lack of understanding

You present no Adult argument; you simply have the classic parent argument, "because I say so".

Your experience as a CEO, your experience selling a company, your age, their sole purpose is to make you sound more impressive and to give more weight to the "I" in "because I say so".

But, like I said, we enjoy these conversations from an Adult/Adult stance (or a willing child/parent stance, but you don't have the social currency for that yet). So when you come in, acting like a parent and implying we should act as children, you create a crossed transaction. In a crossed transaction, we want to stick to adult and hope you will change, but you want to stick to parent and hope we will change.

I have tried to engage you, adult to adult, giving you opportunities to explain your stance and provide data to back up your very bold claims, but you have maintained parent and doubled down on "because I said so", a patronizing argument. Eventually I did break down and shift my stance to child, but it wasn't the good student, it was the petulant child -

    Goddamn you're patronizing.
I did this because you spoke for me, like you knew me, and like I was too stupid to have processed the good knowledge you gave me.

As long as you maintain your current parent state you will be met with many more crossed transactions and petulant children because you are not taking the time to understand the underlying dynamic of the community you engage with.

ideasware  ·  2416 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think I understand. I really think that it's not what you claim; that I did everything I could to be reasonable and fair, and not be like a parent to a child, a important scholar to a hapless student, but just equal to equal -- as a re-reading of the actual content will show -- but let's see what the next posting brings.

Isherwood  ·  2416 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Doing everything you can to be something is not the same as being something.