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kleinbl00  ·  761 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Do Public Universities Really Favor the Upper Middle Class?

    Really, it's a wonder that college was every as cheap as it was to begin with.

Those earnings reflect productivity, which reflects GDP, which reflects tax income and power. This is the way they explained trade school scholarships in auto shop in 11th grade: Of course they'll lend/give you the money to go to college because they get more taxes out of you in the long run and the government can afford to wait.

College as it exists today is extravagant because they're competing for loan dollars, seminar dollars and foreign dollars (foreign students pay sticker price while less than 30% of US students pay full sticker price, according to the Chronicle of Higher Ed). My wife's alma mater spent a shit-ton on new dorms, despite the fact that nobody lives in the dorms. It didn't make any sense until they started hosting conferences all summer.

But then, that's part of the problem: the economics of college are being masked from the economics of working-class people, particularly when the for-profit diploma mills are so aggressively disparaging of a traditional education.

user-inactivated  ·  761 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Honestly, I don't think the college model is going to work much longer. And they've (and I've) been saying this for years. College is mostly a waste of time. You go to learn one skill set, then you have to learn a hugely diverse skill set to become a 'well-rounded' individual.

I get that, I hold two Master's, and around 300 credit hours in a classroom, with many of those hours going to nothing productive in particular. I'm round. But having done all that, which was an insane luxury for most, I don't recommend it. I took really hard (for me) math classes that expanded my mind a bit, but I also had to start from trig because math has never been my strong suit. So a lot of classes it took to get to Abstract Mathematics and Non-Linear Algebra before math really started blowing my mind.

But what do I use in my job? Mostly overall concepts of marketing segmentation, media channels, and experience from other jobs I've had. And a fine ability to bullshit. That's like 4 of the classes I took in college ever, a lifetime of not liking extra work, and luck.

So when I say that college is on its way out, I think what's going to take its place is certification. That cert used to be a degree, but lots of jobs in IT especially don't respect your degree. They want you to see you code (I've heard, I'm not a programmer). They want to see your Cisco certification, not your diploma.

So why is Marketing different? Because it didn't spring up quickly, and employ a group of fast moving people who walked into a job of unlimited growth, and who now run their companies' IT departments without a degree, thus spurring on a disregard for people with degrees but little practical experience. I dont' work in IT, but I do know a ton of people who work in IT, especially tech support for big companies, whose major skill is being able to look up the solution to a problem in forums and on google.

As soon as people can get hired with certs for marketing functions, people aren't going to go to school for Marketing anymore. Same with most jobs. I didn't go to school for education, I did it to waste time while I adjusted to being out of the military. Along the way I found something I liked doing, but that is a super inefficient college journey.

kleinbl00  ·  761 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"I'm going to get an Engineering degree because the one thing I know is I can't rely on anyone ever providing for me. So while I appreciate your scholarship offer, I'm going to have to decline."

- me to the recruiter Ripon flew out to meet me

This book is relevant to your interests. Selingo largely agrees with everything you say.