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comment by thenewgreen

    There are few things that make me want to put my fist through faces than hearing about goddamn red wheelbarrows.

It's a good poem though... (ducks head).




kleinbl00  ·  550 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's fine. You can say that and no one will criticize you. However:

    When the cholera comes -- as it will past a doubt --

    Keep out of the wet and don't go on the shout,

    For the sickness gets in as the liquor dies out,

       An' it crumples the young British soldier.

    Crum-, crum-, crumples the soldier . . .

I have had three "experts" tell me that the above is doggerel.

We can agree to disagree. But absolutely no one is going to lambast you for assuming the majority position that Williams is a goddamn genius.

thenewgreen  ·  549 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've a always liked Ogden Nash poems:

There is something about a martini

Ere the dining and dancing begin

And to tell you the truth

It's not the vermouth

I think that perhaps it's the gin

I used to recite that, when I was a bartender, to my customers that ordered a martini. Tips increase when you you recite poetry. Pretty sure poetry snobs would turn their nose up at that one.

kleinbl00  ·  549 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's... a limerick. Limericks are held in such low regard that they'll teach you how to make them in 3rd grade but by fifth, when they ask for "poetry" they'll accept a fucking haiku (without paying any attention to the meter or kireji) but they'll refuse to accept a limerick.

When I had to hand in poetry I'd do sonnets. Teachers were so impressed that I could handle ABBA ABBA CDE CDE that you could write straight fucking nonsense and they'd take it.

Of course they'd take straight fucking nonsense as free verse too

But not limericks

thenewgreen  ·  549 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Limericks are wonderful. Because they're so easy and ubiquitous, a good limerick is actually high art.

kleinbl00  ·  549 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree.

But neither of us teach English.

cW  ·  541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We had some really wonderful sections on light verse in a few of my courses at the program. In particular, for our "80 works" course (a generative, fast-forward through the forms class) we were assigned several different forms of light verse, and the output was all regarded as seriously as for the other projects. Now, that's a grad workshop, not AP Lit in high school, which is where the stick first gets firmly planted, but I'm happy to report that quite a few academics, at least on the creative side, are taking light verse seriously enough to keep thinking about it after they stop laughing.

I think the Clerihew was my favorite of the light verse forms, personally. Here's a fun one:

There's no disputin'

that Grigori Rasputin

had more will to power

than Schopenhauer.

(by Dean W. Zimmerman)