Yeap. Yea..... Indeed. Never thought those words would be typed out of my fingers.
I can't wait for tits and beer leftism to come back to the internet. A united community where high schoolers can hate Republicans because they're old, stupid, and too religious. One where Klienbl00 hits r/bestof every single week on reddit and identity politics step aside for the working man! M'ladies and gentlemen, we're entering a new golden age. I don't know man, I feel like a lot of my identity has been shattered. Filipino / American, debate geek, psychology and political science graduate because I wanted to know why and do all I could do to get people to understand each other and interact, a la if you can't dream for each other, you're dreaming against each other fucking naive little shit I am. Fucking Duerte / Trump / Brexit / the fact that our lives are 10,000 more complex than our parents because of globalization. Fucking trying to juggle all of the microcosms I inhabit because I naively believe in some moral good in being able to handle the cognitive dissonance in communicating all across a spectrum of ideas. Fucking wanting to understand how other people understand each other - the marketplace of ideas will eventually solve... / I can demonstrate that we're all more similar than we think / a house divided will not stand. My education is like that SMBC comic where the physicist is falling off a cliff and solves when she's going to die. I just feel like tomorrow I'll have to start again, anew. My ideas about people are too kumbaya, I need to grow up.
blush Although fuckin' A there's no point in saying anything on Reddit anymore. Average age is 16 and they have the attention spans of squirrel- I still believe people are basically good. I've decided more of them are ignorant than I estimated, but ignorance can be fixed.
I still go there out of habit. There's something to the fact that its the world's biggest forum, but I never comment or contribute anymore for the same reasons.
I keep repeating this and other calming sentiments to myself. Please keep repeating these sentiments to me. As calm and positive as I was yesterday... trying to convince determinedkid to relax.... I'm the one having slightly panicked emotional response this morning. checks and balances. checks and balances. checks and balances. [googles "immigration to Canada"]We survived Bush II. We'll survive this.
We survived Bush II. We'll survive this.
We survived Bush II. We'll survive this.
We survived Bush II. We'll survive this.
Cynically speaking: We now have a chief executive who has spent his whole life surrounded either by people he pays or who adore him because of an image others have cultivated for him. He has no experience with legislation, no experience with negotiation, and his go-to problem solving strategy is "sue the shit out of them until they give up." He will be leading a house, a senate and a judiciary that do not respect him. He is, figuratively speaking, Frankenstein's Monster, a golem of their own creation that has risen up and struck down all attempts to manage and control him. That he ran as a Republican speaks more to the default allegiances of the information-deprived groundswell that elected him than it does of his policies; Trump is effectively done with rallies for a good long while and has successfully won a long and tawdry path of daily briefings and decision making. His camp is currently adjusting to the reality that they need to try and run the country. They've burned a lot of bridges and their figurehead is fundamentally unfit to rule. That's not as big of an issue as people make it out to be - Reagan was demonstrably senile for the last three years of his presidency and GWB was incurious and detached from the process. But both presidents were surrounded by operatives and insiders with party experience going back to Nixon. Trump will have Christie, Guliani and a bunch of media flacks. Regardless of the outcome of this election, whoever won would have inherited the same intractable mess of partisanship and disapproval of the electorate in general. The real question is which party is in charge of it and which is in opposition to it? Had it been Clinton, she would have had the advantage of 30 years of down'n'dirty backroom politics to count on. Trump? Of the people he's known for 30 years, only one or two of them are still talking to him. A clinton landslide would have been less messy but it still would have been frustrating. A Trump landslide? Let all the poison that lurks in the mud, hatch out. -Robert Graves, I, Claudius ________________________________________ There are groups that will be heavily fucked by a Trump presidency. If you became reliant on Obamacare since its introduction you're fucked. If, on the other hand, you hadn't had health insurance before, congratulations. You don't have healthcare again. Coyote? Guess what? Your job just got harder. But really, those were the only two policies Trump had: build a wall, repeal Obamacare, "make America great again." All other legislature is going to come whispering in, and it'll probably end up on Mike Pence's plate. And he doesn't have the mandate Trump does. Liberal policies all over the country got enacted. Citizens United was opposed nearly everywhere. Minimum wage boosts hit in four states. Marijuana is now legal in what? 6 states? I'm too lazy to look it up but those beatniks over at RAND calculated back in 2010 or so that if California were to legalize marijuana, the Mexican cartel system would collapse. Look - there's a bored billionaire about to take the white house. And everybody has to deal with him. But only one side has to be nice to him. Jason Chaffetz can spew all day long about how Hillary Clinton is going to be investigated regardless of the outcome of the election but at the end of the day, he's an elected official and has to do what his constituency wants lest he land on his keister. We know one thing this electorate wants: something else. One side gets to guess what that is. The other side gets to say "you're doing it wrong" for four years. I know which I'd rather be.
And Canada's always been an idea of a refuge for the US citizens unhappy with the current political makeup, hasn't it? But how many actually move (or are planning to shortly)? It's always sounded (perhaps tainted by the sarcastic tone overpresent on the Internet) like a juvenile ultimatum: "I have this and this better here, or I move to Canada!" - that is, not something one's actually going to or willing to do. I'm still skeptical about the actual effect Trump's presidency will have because the thought process has been muddied by overwhelming emotions so soon after the sudden enactment.
If George Bush's presidency from 2000 to 2008 is any indication, few who say they're leaving actually will. I looked at emigrating to Canada myself, and it isn't simple. When I looked at it in 2004, there was a points system, and you needed a certain number of points. Advanced degrees in technical fields helped. Having family there helped. Speaking English or French or both helped. But Canada won't take someone who decides on a whim to move there and figures they'll live on savings and shop around for whatever job they can find.
The easiest way to immigrate is to know French. It gives a disproportionate amount of points to new immigrants. 2 kids, a knowledge of french, be young and you're pretty much good to go. It's funny but because of that we have an over-representation of immigrants from certain countries. I've never met a Jamaican or Cuban, but plenty of people from Haiti. Lebanon, Morocco, Egypt too. It goes both ways too, I felt like living in the states for a couple years (not even my whole life, just bum around NYC, get an internship of something!) but it turns out it's pretty much the same rules about your employer having to prove you're the only candidate for the job. Plus, I don't get what's up but you have this lottery system that doesn't really look at your merits :(
Ah hell man, now is the best time to come over. Get a whiff of the crazy up close and personal. Watch the world's oldest democracy wake up and realize that there are consequences of ignoring, then pissing off a giant demographic of voters. The people are cool; the government is a bit off kilter now. But still worth the visit. Unlike some of us poor shlubs, you can always go home when things go tits up.That said… student exchange to USA suddenly lost a lot of its appeal.
Man, people here are taking this better than me. I really respect it and wish I didn't harbor so much ill will, but I'm to the point where anyone in my life who voted Trump is no longer in my life. I just can't reconcile voting against peoples rights with being someone I can relate to. I feel like I'm a notably worse person than I was a year ago. I feel drained and bitter and hopeless.The people are cool
I hear you loud and clear. It's very strange how much of a bubble I occupy. Pretty much everyone I interact with on a day-to-day basis is at the very least a Trump hater, and most are ardent Clinton supporters. But I live in a city and all my friends and family have at least one college degree. My daily reading includes the Times and Post and Hubski, and my daily listenings are NPR and podcasts about government. I'm a liberal guy, but not liberal enough to never consider a republican. However, it's anathema to that lifestyle to even consider Trump as a viable alternative. We didn't vote on liberal v conservative, or have v have-not, or rural v urban. We simply voted on whether we think all people are created equal. It's hard to swallow that pill. I have a number of uncles who are Trump supporters to their core. They're not poor. They're not left behind. And they aren't from rural areas. They're just rich, racist, white dudes who think that their place on the top of the hill is given by divine rights. The worst part about today is that I don't feel as shitty as I did yesterday. That's a normal part of grieving, but it also means that I'm normalizing. I don't want to normalize. I want to hate Trump and Attorney General Giuliani, and Secretary of State Gingrich, and Chief of Staff Christie, and whatever antiscience fuckwit heads the EPA. I feel like I don't live in that country.
Yeah. My girl friend is already trying to build bridges, she feels liberal elitism is part of what lead us here and wants to make things better. I love her, she's a better person than me. I'm torching bridges, I'm severing ties with family because at this point all I see is in them is rotten souls. I'm bitter and angry and I want this country to have the worst 4 years in a century. I'm going to continue to do whatever I can for for minorities, for those less privileged than me. I'm going to continue to donate and volunteer and become more political than before. But at this point everyone who voted for Trump is my enemy. I don't like feeling like this but I can't see it changing any time soon. This was a turning point for this country and I don't feel like there's any coming back.
The election shouldn't matter much in your decision. Things dont generally change all that quickly nationally to really have an effect. The finance and academic portion that you should really do your research on though. Many public universities in the US are run like businesses with the goal of providing minimal services for as much money as possible and enriching the administrators in charge. There are typically pretty hard limits on what they can charge in-state students so exchange and out of state students are their large profit centers. Because of that often the universities will not allow exchange students to take any of the core classes (unless there are free spots and there almost never are because the good classes are at capacity). Some universities actually keep their foreign exchange students in a satellite campus where they only interact with other exchange students and are taught the bare minimum is some sort of BS level classes. Of-couse they will change you whatever rate the market can bare so prepare to pay some ridiculous amount of money and get very little in return.
I need everyone angry to look at something, please? go here yea I posted this all over the place. Click on the button off to the left 'Change from 2012.' That is the 100 or so million Americans that have been left behind due to global trade, robotics, demographic shifts, the abandonment of "fly over country" and in general the people who have lost out economically over the last 20 years. Look at that map. Trump won because he saw that map as an opportunity and grabbed it by the pussy. The DNC abandoned these people to Fox News, regressive republicans, con-men and charlatans. IF there is going to be a Democrat/Liberal challenge to Trump, it will be in the engagement of all those red arrows. It is going to be a lot of work, but I think it can be done.
What do you mean by left behind? I keep hearing this on the news about the rural vote and how they feel disenfranchised. What exactly do they want? Who took what away from them? Why is now not as great as before? A lot of people say the economy, but wages are finally growing again, unemployment is down, and the economy is finally going in a positive direction after being wrecked for about 15 years. The median income for Trump voters is $72,000. I'm a big city college educated liberal and I will probably never have an income that high as long as I live. Don't tell me it's the economy. It's xenophobia, plain and simple.
The middle of the country and its 50-60 million potential voters was written off by the DNC 20-something years ago to chase money and bigger states. This left a void in the so-called "Flyover Country" that is now a Republican monolith. Median income may be 72K a year, but not out here it isn't. Know who the people I know are who voted Trump? 30K a year, drowning in debt, watching jobs go elsewhere, watching their kids move away and with them the energy to keep shit running. Health care is eating any income gains, nobody is moving into the area to generate increasing home prices so everyone in the rural Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio etc are losing money by owning a home. Some of these areas are fucked. The people living there know it too. And here comes a blow hard who promises to "Make America Great Again" like their mom and dad used to talk about, when there was money for paving the streets, when the farms all made buckets of cash, when the nostalgia goggles make everything look wonderful. The Dem's don't give a shit about poor rural white people. If that is true or not I cannot say, but leave the bigger cities and people will tell you that the only people who show up when it comes time to vote are the Republicans. So they vote for people that take away the benefits of living in a wealthy country. They defund the schools, cut the repair budgets, funnel tax dollars to the "Job creators" who just get wealthier while the rest of us eat shit. The answer to your question is about 7000 words long, needs links and tons of data, and I'm fucking pissed off at the DNC and my fellow liberals that I may just sit down and pound it out this weekend.
I still don't completely buy it. The numbers don't add up. There is simply no evidence that these voters are any more economically disadvantaged than the rest of society- the opposite is true in fact. There is only one common thread between them all- intense fear of immigrants and distrust of institutions. All of the problems you described apply to urbanites just as much. In fact, urban unemployment is worse. The whole thing is a myth.
Median income was $41,615 for men and $30,246 for women in 2015 (census table ). You're thinking of median househoid income, which is around $60k for white households (census again ).Median income may be 72K a year, but not out here it isn't. Know who the people I know are who voted Trump? 30K a year,
Should have stuck with Bernie... Oh friggin well, at least people have a reason to be interested in politics the next few years
How?It is going to be a lot of work, but I think it can be done.
What a headline to wake up to. It seems the sentiment that fuelled the victory for Brexit over here is alive and well in the USA too. I wouldn't be surprised if, like Brexit, there were people who voted for Trump to 'stick it to the man' but didn't think there votes mattered and that he'd actually win. So it goes. As kb said, we'll survive this. But if there's a great Hubski migration to Canada, hit me up and I'll try to tag along.
The optimist in me is looking forward to the possibility that Trump will do something to disqualify himself from office before the inauguration, and the good protest songs that are coming. The rest of me is scared of a republican house, senate, and president.
Pence is a nutter. If shit goes down and he gets the Oval Office, then I freak out a bit. Remember lots of R's came out against Trump. That should generate a few interesting meetings.The rest of me is scared of a republican house, senate, and president.
I think there is an evolution of consciousness at work in our species. Some are further evolved than others. When the Europeans landed in the Americas, the natives thought they had crazy eyes. They were either in the past or the future, but never present. My sincere guess is that if you were to take all of the trump supporters you wouldn't be able to find 100 that regularly practice presence or meditation. Yes, what I'm saying is that Trump supporters are less evolved. #elitistmuch?
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I have a few questions about the assertions. This, and not, say, his abhorrent comments caught on tape and reported actions? Demagogues have pushed nations into actions the people've regretted before. Change is good, but what is the price you guys will have to pay for it? Sounds like millions of people have picked the wrong side of the Coke dilemma: they may have felt good for a bit now, but soon there will be a belly, loss of breath and physical incapability. Is there a reason to laude Trump at any point? A hope for him a good president hangs on a thread so thin it might as well break, since it's made of nothing but wishful thinking. If there's any indication to what he's going to do, it's the stuff he's done so far. The question is: has he done enough good to outweigh the bad?While I’m still unsure about Trump myself, we at least know politically he’s actually a New York Democrat in Republican clothing (this is why the Republican establishment rejected him).
You also need to consider Donald Trump just overthrew a group of political elites who have been ruling this country for decades. He just beat the political establishment singlehandedly.
The results came as a shocker. I thought that people would vote for Clinton because she's clearly the only rational-thinking candidate among the two, malificent as she may be; that Trump had no chance. I don't understand how that happened. I'm so sorry for the people of the States.
I just hope the run won't be too long. Shame to see people go through this because of the pent-up feelings of disappointment and being ignored by the great political machine. One might say it's people's vote so they deserved it, but... just doesn't feel right.
Fuck this, fuck hubski, fuck you, fuck today, fuck tomorrow, fuck the day after that, fuck any trust I had in white people as I move from place to place wondering who? was it you, was it you, was it you that voted for a dude getting charged for the rape of a 13 year old girl? fuck flagamuffin for probably reading this and shrugging the same way he did when Ferguson went to shit, I see you motherfucker, stay smug and above it because it doesn't affect you, fuck breathing, fuck "the sun rising" on the rancid carcass that is this country, fuck every white person telling me "we'll get through this", fuck every white person who feels the need to tell an angry POC to calm down, and fuck Trump. Fuck all y'all bitches I'm out it's been real 2016 it's been real US stay shitty I'm sure Reagan's dick is so hard you can see it poking out his coffin right now fuuuuuuck yooooou
Fuck you too determinedkid, we got Brexit, you get Trump and the whole year is fucked. See you when you come back buddy.
Not so much. Anything that includes interstate commerce falls under federal purview, and that definition has expanded greatly over time. Also the federal government has used the withholding of funding as a way to influence states. Finally there is the Supreme Court. It's possible abortion will become illegal. Oh, climate change and other treaties are negotiated by the Federal government.
This is a much more detailed and involved question, but the short answer is "kinda." States can do their own thing within the framework of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights (in theory). But say, Ohio and Indiana have a ton of laws that are way out of step with each other even though they share a long border. "ObamaCare" was a state health care plan run by Massachusetts that was taken to the federal level, for example. Colorado has legal marijuana for recreational use, while Wyoming that shares a border with Colorado makes all possession punishable by jail time. If you think of the USA like the Eurozone with 50 countries and a really strong Brussels? that is more like what we are.