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comment by jadedog

    Now the problem mentioned at the beginning would make it worth to apply a group of specialists and research budget to solve this problem in detail… or maybe use them for slightly more pressing problems. ;)

I have no doubt that the problem is complex and that it might take a lot of resource to solve.

My comment was from the consumer's viewpoint that it's not that helpful to know that kale might explode in the microwave but not know when. The only solution to be safe is not to microwave it.

As a current analogy, the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is apparently catching fire and exploding in some cases. It's not really that helpful for people to know that their Note 7 might explode but not know if it will for sure or when. The only solution is to not use any of them, regardless if that particular one may not explode. It's too much of a chance to take. From the scientist's point of view, I have no doubt that it's an interesting and complex problem. It just doesn't solve the consumer's issue.





Devac  ·  2747 days ago  ·  link  ·  

True. But knowing why something happens would allow engineers prevent such mistakes in the future. I know that consumer only should care about the finished product, but it's important for them to understand that even most scrupulous QA and testing can't catch everything.

Here is the problem: let's assume that some fraction of semiconducting elements inside the phone were made from a faulty silicon crystal. Because it has some mechanical impurity it offers an increased resistance but the phone performs OK and passes checks. Unaccounted for this flaw heat disperses into the battery and you get an explosion. That's a sound theory, but even simulating it on a computer would require quite a lot of work to pin-point the most likely components to carry the fault. And this designer should put his inquisitive prowess to landing people on Mars rather than doing smartphone QA.

Just in case, I don't defend people who made this mistake. That's a terrible issue, fact that it's of unknown cause and depends purely on chance for what we know is even worse. But if a boob like me can think off of five or six possible hypotheses (and even more for kale)… imagine how many possibilities and explanations could make an engineer who actually knows this stuff. Finding a reason for any of these consumer product faults would basically need a research team. I can only hope that a proposal titled "Let's find a way to avoid exploding phones to avoid lawsuits, bad PR and harming our clients" would not have many problems with getting a budget.

jadedog  ·  2746 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    And this designer should put his inquisitive prowess to landing people on Mars rather than doing smartphone QA.

I lost you right here. Are you saying that scientists should only work on projects based on some kind of hierarchy of importance? Who gets to decide the level of importance?

Devac  ·  2746 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Who gets to decide the level of importance?

Objectively? I don't know or even consider myself as someone who can answer that. Subjectively? Read below.

    Are you saying that scientists should only work on projects based on some kind of hierarchy of importance?

I don't know if I would call it importance, but there are problems with higher stakes. This also can vary per person. For the sake of argument, let's say that mankind's survival would be my most pressing goal. Stakes are high, as without some way to perform exodus and colonise other worlds, our whole existence could be wiped-out easily. If this would be my view of things, a phone or microwave harming someone would barely register as far as humanity is concerned.

That's hardly my view and I would rather veer away from anything involving ethics, but to me there is nothing prohibiting existence of some scale of importance. As I have said before, I don't consider myself an authority. My gut feeling is simply "hard problems don't have to carry much significance, but it's worth to try and solve them if possible".