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kleinbl00  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What do you look for in a new (used) car?

1) Your library has access to the Consumer Reports car rankings. They aren't the bible but they're worth looking at. You'll get a sense of what people report a lot. You will also see a bunch of people bellyaching about everything under the sun.

2) Edmund's lists the current prices for everything local to you, regardless of what the dealers are getting. Get a sense of "stuff from (1) that interests you" and "stuff from (2) you can afford" and build a short list.

3) Figure out what you can spend. This may include approaching your bank, other banks, local credit unions, etc to see what sort of loan you can get. Money is stupid cheap right now and it just gets cheaper when dealing with a new customer and a new loan. I was at Washington Mutual when I bought the Dodge. They offered me 12%. I happened into QFC and Alaska Federal offered me 2.3%. The loan officer actually got mad at me because the bank was making like $180 for the life of the loan.

4) Cross-reference (2) with (3) and check out Ye Olde Craigslist and Ye Olde eBay. A few details:

4a) Banks will not loan any money on a private party seller. If you're going to borrow money, you're buying from a dealership.

4b) Banks will not loan any money on a vehicle older than 7 years old.

4c) The prices dealerships list are imaginary. They have no bearing on reality. You can see what the "avg trade-in" on any car you're interested is likely to be and if you're patient, and if the stars align, you might get close to that. I went to see a car listed at $18k. I walked off the lot at $16k. Two weeks later they offered it to me at $11k. Trade-in was $10k. When I bought the Benelli (a motorcycle, but still) I got the bike for $300 more than they took for trade-in. Just recently I went to look at cars listed for $32k that had mystically come down to $21k as I walked off the lot.

5) You now know how much money you have, an approximation of how much money it will take, and a few choices as far as what seems interesting. NOTE THAT SO FAR the only in-person stuff you've done is getting the loan pre-approved. But now you're gonna go drive some shit.

6) BE VERY CAREFUL to read any paperwork they put in front of you to test drive - I found a couple dealerships that tried to slide me "agreement to buy" paperwork at over the sticker price because used car dealers can be extremely shady. But once you've read and made sure you're okay, drive it all. Drive everything. Drive multiples of the same car. Find the one that tickles your fancy. The $18k car that became $16k that became $11k wasn't nearly as much fun as the $9500 car that became $9200 that I'm still driving 14 years later. The $32k car that became $21k wasn't nearly $21k worth of fun so I walked away. Now, repeat after me:

7) "I never buy anything on the first day."

This is your maxim. Repeat it like a mantra. They will pressure you. They will bombard you. They will do anything they can to get you in their pocket. Used car dealers are the kings of high pressure sales. Don't fall for it. "That's a nice watch" they will say, which primes you to think you are rich and deserve a nice car. "I never buy anything on the first day." Once your'e back in your beater the reality distortion field dissipates and you didn't pay more than you wanted and now they'll call you (you can give them a fake number but a real email) to try and get you back into that car. Ignore them. They are vermin.

8) Unless they have the car that you actually want. Now ask them if you can borrow it overnight to have an independent mechanic look it over. If they balk, walk. If they don't, find a local mechanic you like and pay them the $150-200 they'll want to inspect the car. This will be a compression test, an OBD2 reading, an assessment of belts, hoses and the like and the basic surface-level stuff that will tell you if it's been abused.

9) The car won't go out the door unless you have an agreed-upon price. Basically at this point you're good if the car is good, they're good if you're good, the bank is good if everyone else is good and you're ready to pull the trigger.

10) Sign and drive.

It looks like a lot. It's not. 1-2 is a couple idle weeks, 3 is a couple days, 4-7 is whatever it takes to find what you want, 8 is an evening and 9-10 are an hour and a half or so. You're basically looking at a day or two on either side of test-driving and trying not to catch leprosy from used car dealers.

And frankly, I enjoy test driving and there is no slower-moving, slack-jawed, unredeemable group of fuckwits than used car dealers. Abuse them with impunity and have fun.

PROTIP I've gotten a Honda Fit up to the door sills in a river multiple times with no ill effects and have yet to find a national forest road that I couldn't get a Dodge Stealth up. the Jeepy shit you really only need for unimproved roads. Or deliberate dumbness. Think Elbe Hills is about an hour or two from you. Do not attempt in a Impreza.



ButterflyEffect  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A lot of this is due to:

1. Getting annoyed at the things that have stopped working with my car (no airbags is...stressful on I5).

2. Off-roading in the central cascades and wanting something that can take me to some slightly more remote trailheads.

I've started looking into Edmunds and looking in to the bank thing, they pre-approve for a 30-day period and it seems easy to get a good rate considering the last time I was in they asked if I wanted to go through that process right then and there. 6) is great, I haven't thought much about that point, especially driving multiple of the same car.

What was the $9500 car and what was the $32000 car? I have no intention on buying on day one. I have a car that runs, and am not in dire need of a vehicle. It's the same thing with a job, right? The best time to look is when you don't need one.

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snoodog  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/5770492878.html

And this

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5769693887.html

Will get you most places and run forever both are manual though and get 20MPG.

I really like the CX-5 over the Rav or the CRV (way more comfortable)

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5770583250.html 19k for a full loaded 2014 is a good deal if the title is clean (The guy mistyped the VIn thats a Zero not an o btw).

The crosstrek is a great car but expensive and doesn't depreciate fast enough in this area.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The issue with manual is I currently have only driven a manual twice. And not at all within the past five years. I'm interested in learning, but not sure if buying a manual and learning is the best route to take.

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b_b  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I HIGHLY support kb's Crosstrek suggestion. If I weren't an exclusive GM guy, I definitely would have considered that when I got a new car earlier this year. I don't think there's anything else quite like it on the road. And it looks like even brand new they're available from the low $20k's. SHoudl definitely check one out.

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snoodog  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Does GM make anything competitive in the small SUV segment. I skipped over them cause I dont trust the quality but you might know better than I

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b_b  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The Trax and Equinox are the two that Chevy make. I've driven both. Neither blows me away aesthetically, but both are decent to drive (and definitely you get a lot for your money). But GM is definitely more of a big SUV type of company (the Escalade will make you never want to drive another car ever).

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kleinbl00  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"off-roading" is a very different task than "going up forest service roads." My advice on jeeping is that most people underestimate the utility of "very low weight." I've been in 38" mud tire bombers and I've been in Suzuki Samurais and dollars to donuts, the Samurai will get you more places with less drama. Especially when you're 'froadin' with buddies 'cuz three people can pick up the back end of a 2000lb car and put it somewhere else. Realistically speaking, a Subaru Crosstrek will get you most of the places you want to go unless you're stunting.

The $9200 car was a then-seven-year-old Dodge Stealth and the $32k car was a 3-year-old Cadillac CTS4 coupe.

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snoodog  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Btw that samurai is an awesome vehicle. I don't think my wife would let me own one but if you can find a less molested on its awesome.

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kleinbl00  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I owned two. They're... fragile. And that's fifteen years ago. I would reckon any that still exists these days is on the ragged edge of crumpling up like yesterday's newspaper.

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snoodog  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What would you buy these days? I have my eye on some 03-09 4runners. They seem like a good compromise between safety capability and reliability. I really hate Chrysler products and their low quality standards so I haven't really looked at jeeps.

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kleinbl00  ·  2784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wish I knew.

When I think about such things I envision an electric Pinzgauer. Like I need more hobbies...

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snoodog  ·  2785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I got my 05 Altima out 15 miles up the service road a couple weekends ago, but I had to turn back because loose rocks dont work great with 2 WD and no traction control and I really didnt want to get stuck that far out.

The thing is you can get out pretty far out in most vehicles in Washington state if you push them to the limit but there is also a piece of mind factor from having extra margin that's nice to have. That can be mitigated by not going alone but that's a luxury that you dont always have.

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