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goobster  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What do you think of Dr Jill Stein and The Green Party?

    Label GMOs, and put a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe.

It's also proving a negative.

You can't prove something is "safe". However, you can prove that "testing up to today has not shown any clear patterns we should be concerned about", which is a test that all pesticides and GMOs currently pass.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    which is a test that all pesticides and GMOs currently pass

Shit, really? I grew up with the notion that pesticides are terrible for health, and now - are you telling me they're fine?

goobster  ·  1759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Pesticides are sprayed on your food.

You eat food.

Are you dead? :-)

ThatFanficGuy  ·  1759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They're sprayed on the food? Shit, you're opening a new world for me!

I mean, I had a vague idea but didn't know for certain. Anything else I need to know?

OftenBen  ·  1759 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your humor is essential, and I value it.

organicAnt  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How can you assert the consumption of GMO safety based on the past when there's no labelling to know what is and isn't GMO food? How could patterns have been found?

goobster  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

GMO food is actually tested in the same way all other food is tested for safety.

And "GMO" doesn't actually mean anything. Using standard hybridization techniques that were developed 5,000 years ago, you can "genetically modify" how a plant grows, and we continue to do it to this very day.

Anybody that understands basic biology, or works on a farm, knows the basic techniques for getting a plant to grow differently to emphasize a particular feature, like seedless grapes, or yellow tomatoes.

The change that people are worried about with "GMOs" is that these genes are being spliced directly in a lab, and inserted into the plant, rather than waiting for the mutation to occur naturally, and then encouraging that mutation.

Can science go too far? Yeah. Maybe. But it hasn't. The food they make is still food by every measure we have managed to come up with.

Will this always be true? Who knows?

THAT is why you can't say any food is "safe". You just don't know what we may uncover in the future, regardless of whether there is gene splicing going on or not.

couchpillow  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This - goobster is correct.

The whole GMO thing isn't about whether or not it's safe to eat. It's much more about shitty business practices by companies like Monsanto and the stranglehold they may develop on the seed/food market. I'm all for labeling, for the sake of knowing who you are giving your money to ultimately and what kinds of business practices you are supporting. But we really need to get everyone on the same page and stop mis-information about GMO being unsafe to consume.

goobster  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right. And it would be far more informative for someone to tell me what pesticides they used on their crops, than it would be which seeds they used.

organicAnt  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have you heard of the FDA "revolving door"? How can you trust a regulatory agency that is ran by ex-executives of the industry they regulate?

I did grow up on farm so thank you for the credit. But please don't try to confuse cross pollination with gene insertion across different species. The first generates very small changes over a long period of time giving the ecosystem a chance to adapt. The second creates abrupt changes, which organisms may or may not be able to process correctly. Also nature doesn't use antibiotic markers to merge genes.

    Can science go too far? Yeah. Maybe. But it hasn't.

I would argue that the atomic bomb is an example of science going too far. However, we are discussing GMOs here not science in general. To have a precautionary approach about new technology is not to be anti-science, like you're trying to paint it, is to be responsible.

Back specifically to GMOs, I have posted before on the subject. This pretty much sums up my stance.

goobster  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh I am well aware of the FDA. My Uncle works there. He's the world's leading expert on the Red Tide and similar toxins.

If the testing of a new material or product is insufficient, then it should change.

But that insufficiency needs to be scientifically proven.

Because - like I said before - you can't prove something is safe. You can only prove it hasn't hurt anyone or anything yet.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  1760 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Oh I am well aware of the FDA. My Uncle works there.

You still keep amazing me.