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goobster  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Brexit looks likely.

Yeah. Brexit doesn't help the rural Leavers, but it does hurt the people they feel are responsible for their depressed state. So they vote for it just to watch it all Burn.

As an American looking down the barrel of a potential Trump presidency, that worries me greatly.





kleinbl00  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A nationwide referendum on economic policy and a presidential contest governed by the electoral college have exactly fuckall to do with each other, no matter how much people who understand neither wish to wring their hands and compare the two.

goobster  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    have exactly fuckall to do with each other

Procedurally, yes.

But don't kid yourself. Brexit = Trump Conservatives and Remain = Sanders/Clinton Liberals.

It's the same meal, only one eats their peas with a knife, and the other eats their peas with a spoon.

snoodog  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Remain = Sanders/Clinton Liberals

I take a bit of offense at being lumped in as a Clinton supporter. IMO Trump has more standing to be liberal than Clinton .

kleinbl00  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you have any examples, evidence or links to back that up? Because people keep repeating it like it's common wisdom but I've yet to say anything other than panic and sour grapes to back it up.

goobster  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Farage isn't enough of an example? :-)

The majority of my info comes from my friends who work for the EU in Brussels, my friends who are journalists for The Economist and other reputable news sources, and my experience living in the region and working with the journalists there.

Boris Johnson was just basically London's version of Emperor Norton... fun to watch his antics, but not really empowered to do anything. (The Mayor of London is a largely ceremonial role.) And yet, his campaign, driving around the south with his bus with blatantly wrong figures on it that had been debunked even by his own people, just gathered more and more support the more he lied. (Remind you of anyone?)

Right-wing National Front nutbags supported Leave. Sober and thoughtful people and institutions supported Remain.

Shit... Farage even said "the revolution has come without a shot being fired" two fucking days after one of his supporters shot and killed Jo Cox, while calling her a "traitor" for supporting Remain.

kleinbl00  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No.

You're, again, making the argument that isolationism = Trump, while Trump supports extended bombing campaigns and would never in a million years fund the NHS.

Your info is opinions. I'm asking for facts.

user-inactivated  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sympathetic to the politics of spite in general. There's a lot that could use burning. Falling in with the far right, xenophobic, nationalist nutjobs isn't just not going to help, it's going to make it worse though.

goobster  ·  2834 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I lived through the Ska years, when the National Front was a HUGE problem in England, and destroyed football, music, and everything else they could get their hands on.

I am seriously concerned that every Nazi-wannabe is going to see Brexit as a vote for them and their worldview...