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jadedog  ·  2866 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Brain Activity Could Be Nudged To Make Healthier Choices

Interesting link about the fermented fruit, but I don't think the theory needs to be that attenuated. People can get addicted to anything pleasurable really quickly. Just about anything that is linked to pleasure can be addictive. Neurons that fire together wire together. In other words, anything or any activity that triggers a pleasurable response in the brain links the pleasurable feeling with the activity or object.

There were a couple assumptions in your theory. The most important one is that people have to be willing to get the treatment. That's the worrisome part.

As you say, alcoholism can destroy people's lives, their own and often the people's lives around them. One day, if the technology works, then people could be forced to undergo treatment.

This next part is a bit of a stretch because it's a sensitive topic, but there was a time when homosexuality was seen a bit like alcoholism. It was seen as something that ruined people's lives and the lives of people around them, so people were forced into treatment. Alan Turing, often considered the father of computing, was chemically castrated against his wishes as an alternative to prison as a "cure" for his homosexuality.

It might not seem analogous since you may not see any redeeming qualities to alcoholism, but that might lead to other addictions being "treated". Is that too far out of the realm of possibility to approach the likelihood of transporting through black holes? I would disagree.





Devac  ·  2866 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm after a really shitty night and waiting for a doctor in hospital. Sorry for a rather weird tone of the whole post, but I would rather send it as-is and discuss later over rephrasing my response constantly and likely forget to send yet another draft

    There were a couple assumptions in your theory. The most important one is that people have to be willing to get the treatment. That's the worrisome part.

I get that. But there are also assumptions in your theory: that somehow today you can be forced to undergo something like that. We live in a world where suffering of insects and other invertebrates makes people scratch their and ask questions like "maybe we are going too far with experimentation". Pain in invertebrates is an recognized and researched issue that needs urgent addressing.

Perhaps I'm just that naïve, but it seems like medical and scientific community itself would stop such misuse. Back then homosexuality was recognized as illness that goes against what it means to be a human being. Now we are in a culture where people thrown in jail for violent crimes get almost a hug-therapy treatment… as long as it does not offend their sensibilities or breach their personal space.

Again, I don't want make you feel that I'm dismissing you or the problem. But I do recognize that despite what I see on TV, people are largely decent. It's hard during tragedies like ones that happened recently, but it is important to remember about it.

That also does not mean that there is no way to get financial gain out of it. Classifying it as a non-refundable voluntary treatment that allows profit instead of correctional state-mandated action is more likely than any level of dystopia ;). There is no monetary gain in 'correcting' homosexuals, there is a massive profit potential in offering weight-loss treatment that requires as little as one undetectable jolt. You can't spin it for profit if technique has a bad reputation. People are decent, but that largely means they are going to choose profit over arbitrary evil on average.

jadedog  ·  2866 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm after a really shitty night and waiting for a doctor in hospital.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you're feeling better soon.

As for the rest of your comment, it had me grinning, not because there was anything funny about the subject (quite the contrary) but because you somehow incorporated the news headlines of the week (the Brock Turner case and the mass murders in Florida) into your one comment about a scientific discovery that hasn't happened yet. That's quite a wide range of topics.

    I get that. But there are also assumptions in your theory: that somehow today you can be forced to undergo something like that.

This is true, and neither of us can know which of the assumptions we hold will happen in the future.

This just goes to show that on one of your worst nights, you're more optimistic about humankind than I am on one of my best. I hope that you're more right about it than I am. I'm just skeptical that you are in this case.