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Amateurman  ·  1138 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: An Analysis of Gender in Films Based on Scripts (Male vs. Female Lines)

I have, and that's why I think there should be an open honest conversation about race and the potential differences via genetics/IQ. Black people on average have a lower IQ than whites, which isn't affected by education, and not taking that lightly as the whole matter of IQ is controversial in the first place. But there are a lot of interesting crime statistics that demostrate a strong possibility of black people being more violent as a whole than other races. The socioeconomic studies I've read show unemployment & poverty simply do not correlate to an increase in crime, but race does.

The problem is, trying to have an open and honest dialogue about these things makes white guilters and the black community cry racist, when it could be helpful to fixing the very issues that plague them. Such a broken households. Say more research is done and it turns out due to higher testosterone, lower IQ, or maybe a somewhat different pre frontal cortex is the cause of the apparent propensity of blacks for crime. We could help them have happier healthier lives. I know it's appalling to hear such things, but most species on earth have slight variations among themselves with lesser or greater capabilities per task, why is it so offensive that humans may not be any different? I'm not saying treat black people's a subclass of humans, but they could get better learning institutions suited to their capabilities to promote them having every bit of equal opportunity as everyone else does.

There are a myriad of problems in the black community, some such as broken households, are self perpetuating but everyone is too fearful to address them.

Edit since you asked for additional data but muted me? I guess here you go?

This is the only one I have on hand on my phone; but here's the FBI crime stats for 2013.

Here's the census of 2010 and 2014:

Here is a well written albeit offensive blog discussing it in great detail.

illu45  ·  1137 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you have some links that aren't out-of-context Imgur graphs? The FBI stats are a good start, but stats rarely tell the whole story, and crime statistics in particular are often skewed by issues such as structural inequality. For instance, here's one recent (2009) study that concludes:

    In this Article, we sought to articulate and empirically explore how this dramatic pattern of inequality in one visible aspect of the urban experience is intricately interconnected with the ways in which the structure of U.S. society is broadly racialized. We contend that the privilege of low levels of violence in white communities versus the peril of oppressively high levels of violence in black (and to some degree other) neighborhoods is not a product of individual differences in tendencies toward violence. Rather, these inequalities are outgrowths of structural arrangements that favor whites and subordinate other racial groups, especially blacks.

Here's another study that posits that segregation, rather than race, is the main predictor of violent crime for neighborhoods, particularly for (non-affulent) blacks. And here is a study that concludes that interracial economic inequality "had a strong positive effect on the overall violent crime rate, and more specifically, on the Black-on-Black crime rate."

And let's not even get into the issue of defining 'race'...

EDIT: I was wrong about the Imgur link being unsourced. It actually does list its source, which is The Colour of Crime by Jared Taylor (not to be confused by the book of the same name by Katheryn Russell-Brown). I think it's worth noting that the publication that the Imgur graph is from (as well as its author) has received some pretty heavy criticism. Indeed, the publication's wikipedia page has a criticism section that is longer than the synopsis. Tim Wise has written a sourced and readable rebuttal to this publication, which is available here.

ButterflyEffect  ·  1138 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not the one who asked you for more data, nor do I have you muted...

_refugee_  ·  1137 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did. My post, my rules.

'Sides, does anyone really think this discussion was going anywhere?

Cool. Then do it in PM.

Devac  ·  1138 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is actually an interesting point. Could you provide more sources?

Just one remark to that graph you have linked above. I don't think that this is a good model for linear correlation. There seems to be an oscillatory dispersion in all of these, usually a good argument to try Generalized Additive Model under a nonlinear hypothesis. While I don't know or want to argue about the data and context, I do think that there might be some sloppy stats behind the model. Call it a hunch, I'm a maths/physics student and not a professional.

Edit: I did not mute you. Report a bug if you can't respond to me.

_refugee_  ·  1137 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You didn't. I did. My post, my rules.