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Amateurman  ·  836 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hello all! I have a question?

That's awesome! I'd like to hear a good response on why the X Men poster has far more attention than the woman being murdered for rejecting a marriage purposal.




lil  ·  835 days ago  ·  link  ·  

> An xman poster is local. We might see it.

Pakistan is far away and a brief google search of status of women in Pakistan will show that setting a woman on fire or murdering family members in "honour killings" is not particularly unusual.

> We can protest the Xman poster and it will actually be taken down

    We quickly took steps to remove those materials. We apologize for our actions and would never condone violence against women.

We can bring attention to injustice on the other side of this fragile planet. but our experience intervening in cultures we barely understand has been discouraging.

> interesting that both cases are about violence against women. A person speaking up against images that seem to celebrate violence against women will be heard. There has been a movement since 1998 to raise the consciousness of men with regards to male violence against women. Our society is somewhat aware of its wrongness. There's a chance that if you set anyone on fire in North America, you will not be protected by tradition, custom, and gender inequality..

Amateurman  ·  835 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Very good arguement, but I'm curious why the same efforts aren't put towards the in my personal opinion greater evil. Could we not offer asylum to such women who wanted to break free of " culture "?

Something else I'm curious of, my wife is a domestic voilence survivor and had a long hard road to recover from it. ( Father cutting and breaking bones of her, her sister, and her mother.) My father was also a wife beater, and to this day I'm very extreme anti voilence. Neither of us understand why the X-men poster is offensive. We both personally view it as people being for lack of a better word, crybabies. We both view it as one monster in a war killing the main character in war where he indiscriminately kills countless men, women, and children. I don't even see the character as a man, just a god, and Mystique as a soldier. In my mind, it's two powerful people fighting. Why do people consider this offensive and view it man vs women, yet things like 50 shades, and Twilight ( abusive etc ) are heralded? This bearing in mind consent, 50 shades lady consented BDSM, Twilight lady consented to stay with a douche, and Mystique consented to war, and to be killed by anyone or anything?

Furthermore, why is there no outrage when it is a woman slapping, shooting, beating up, murdering, or torturing a man? I mean, in one of these X-Men movies Mystique and Wolverine really F each other up.

This is not meant to be any degree of disrespectful I'm geniunely curious because I find it for one, not a case of man vs woman more god vs a soldier, and two there is so many equal examples of violence commited to the opposing genders by the other. I personally find it hypocritical that those who are for equality don't want examples of voilence against women by men, but the reverse is 100% acceptable where both genders can be viewed in a fantasy situation such as X-Men equally as capable of harming each other.

I think there is much more problematic examples of women's abuse such as Twilight, strippers, etc in much more realistic settings that can impression young women that something truly awful is acceptable and normal. Like being in an abusive relationship, only being as good as the man in your life. Providing examples of what is normal is where stuff like this can be offensive, if a movie poster showed a normal man, choking his spouse then I'd understand the offense. But anything the poster in question demonstrates that no matter your gender you can die in war. Especially if you are both super powered monsters who bareky have a gender.

Anyhoo, I really appreciate your first response and I hope you will consider giving me your prespective on this one. :)

oyster  ·  835 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Why do people consider this offensive and view it man vs women, yet things like 50 shades, and Twilight ( abusive etc ) are heralded?

There is a ton of people who spoke out against the types of relationships put forth in both of these novels and explained how they are either toxic or not representative of a healthy BDSM relationship.

lil  ·  835 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Could we not offer asylum to such women who wanted to break free of " culture "?
We do. They are allowed in as refugees, not always and not all the time, but they do get in. Sometimes family members follow them to Canada and murder them anyway. I'll try and get to more of your post later. It's 6:27 a.m. The sun is rising at 6:38 and I'm going to be there on the edge.

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    Furthermore, why is there no outrage when it is a woman slapping, shooting, beating up, murdering, or torturing a man? I mean, in one of these X-Men movies Mystique and Wolverine really F each other up.
I imagine there is outrage somewhere in the chatterverse. There's no shortage of outrage.

I'm not the best person to weigh in on anything to do with popular culture, but others will - particularly if you create a post addressing that issue. I prefer to never see cinematic or TV celebrations of violence. Violence in the form of gaming is also a problem for me.

    my wife is a domestic violence survivor and had a long hard road to recover from it.
I know a little about domestic violence and have posted a few stories about it here and here. Obviously nothing as serious as your wife survived.

To be terrorized by the very people who should love and protect us is traumatizing. I wish you both well.