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FuzzyWords  ·  960 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Adjusting the mechanism of the hubwheel to match the growth of Hubski

Instead of fuzzing the number of dots why not just display the total number of votes below or inside the wheel once it is full? Something like this:




briandmyers  ·  959 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The reason not to put a number on it is to avoid gamesmanship, as I understand it. Once a post or comment has a full circledot, the game is over - because hubski does not want to emphasise that particular game.

FuzzyWords  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thank you, I didn't know it was for that reason.

DC-3  ·  960 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because it makes the hub wheel redundant. You've just invented Reddit.

jadedog  ·  959 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm very new here. Could you explain how the hub wheel is different than the upvotes on Reddit? It took me a while to figure out that the dots in the wheel represented people 'liking' the post, which is essentially what happens at Reddit, no?

At first, I thought it had to do with people 'sharing' which meant that they were adding it to their follower's feed. If that was happening, it would seem redundant since the most popular people were getting 'shared' a lot, but those people would already be on everyone else's feed. It also confused me because the comments also had these hub wheels, so it didn't really make sense to me that a single comment would be shared but not the entire post.

OftenBen  ·  959 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A circledot is not an upvote.

A circledot says 'I think that this post has value and should be seen by other people.'

A circledot is NOT saying 'I agree with this and want more people to think/act/be this way.'

jadedog  ·  959 days ago  ·  link  ·  

OK, thanks. Maybe that's where the disconnect lies. I always thought that an upvote says what you are saying a circledot is saying. In theory, from what I understand (which may not be much), I do think that an upvote is supposed to be saying what a circledot says.

In practice, there's really no telling what people are saying when they hit the button. If the functionality is the same, it's really hard to measure the difference.

edit: After a couple minutes' more thought, I think than an upvote and/or a circledot says: 'I think that this post has value and should be seen by other people.' because 'I agree with this and want more people to think/act/be this way.'

Because people agree with it and want more people to agree with it, they want it to be shared and seen by other people. The two statements aren't mutually exclusive or contradictory.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You can promote valuable discourse without agreeing with one side or the other - or any. Sometimes, a good argument is more important than your opinion of the subject.

jadedog  ·  957 days ago  ·  link  ·  

While that's theoretically possible, that's not my perception of how posts are shared here based on my very short time here. Mostly the things I see circledotted are witty responses or posts that are complimentary to the Hubski system or its users.

For instance, a satire of the ban function with a discussion of the mute function from a positive perspective has 25 shares. A discussion of the mute function by someone who disagrees with the mute function has 2 shares. That's the discussion of the same topic, but one from a positive angle and another from the negative. Many of the same arguments were made in both posts. The post reflecting the best light on the site gets the most shares.

It's just human nature to want to share things that people agree with and puts them in the best light.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  957 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the great difference is in the argumentation between the two posts. The way I see it, the critical post you're referring to has made no outstanding claims to be shared. On the other hand, the satiric one has been spot-on with enough people to be shared quite often. While discussion based on critique is important, it has to be thought-provoking in order to work, and this one didn't have that trait: it was just "I don't like it because reasons".

Here's trivia for you: the same user went on to argue for banning "useless opinions" a bit later.

jadedog  ·  956 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As much as I enjoy discussing this topic, I'm going to have to come back to it when I have more knowledge of how this site works. There's a difference between theory and practice in moderation tools, and I'm too new at this site to discuss it in any depth.

I did see the post you linked and had replied in the comments that I didn't agree with this argument.

briandmyers  ·  959 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Circledot on a comment is like an upvote. Circledot on a post means 'I want to share this with people who follow me' - also somewhat like an upvote, but not exactly.

jadedog  ·  957 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for the explanation.

mk  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Clicking a hubwheel on a post puts it in the feeds of your followers. Clicking a hubwheel on a comment puts it in the chatter of your followers.

The hubwheel also influences the sort on a page. More circledots raises the post or comment.

Typically people use it as an appreciation of quality, since low-quality indications of agreement aren't much appreciated by one's followers. Not to say it doesn't happen, but that's the tendency.

jadedog  ·  957 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for the explanation.

When I first joined, I wasn't following anyone, but when I clicked on my feed, there were some posts. After I started following a few people, it didn't seem like my feed changed any. Is there a default amount of posts that go to people's feeds?

If I go to global view, do I see everyone's posts, even the people who might have me on block or mute (theoretically)?

I'm trying to figure out how to see the most posts that I might be interested in from the most current to the least.

FuzzyWords  ·  960 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right, I think I still don't understand how it works.